Mr. Belin.

Where were these hulls when you last saw them, or saw the envelope in which they were?

Mr. Sims.

In Captain Fritz' office, I believe.

Mr. Belin.

Were they just laying on his desk, or in his physical possession?

Mr. Sims.

In this envelope.

Mr. Belin.

Was the envelope on his desk?

Mr. Sims.

I don't remember if I actually gave them to him or put them there on the desk in front of him.

Mr. Belin.

But he was there when you left there?

Mr. Sims.

Yes.

Mr. Belin.

And that is the last time you saw them?

Mr. Sims.

Yes.

Mr. Belin.

Do you remember whether or not you ever initialed the hulls?

Mr. Sims.

I don't know if I initialed the hulls or not.

Mr. Belin.

If you would have initialed the hulls, what initials would you have used?

Mr. Sims.

As a rule, RMS.

Mr. Belin.

RMS?

Mr. Sims.

Yes, sir; but I believe I initialed the hulls or the envelope that I put them in.

Mr. Belin.

Would you have initialed the outside or the inside of the hull? By that, do you understand what I mean?

Mr. Sims.

Yes, sir; it all depends. I would initial the outside of the hulls, I imagine, or put a mark directly inside of the hull.

Mr. Belin.

Either on the outside or directly inside the top part of the hull?

Mr. Sims.

No, sir; the end.

Mr. Belin.

On the end of the hull?

Mr. Sims.

Yes, the spent end.

Mr. Belin.

The spent end?

Mr. Sims.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Belin.

Anything else you can think of that might be relevant?

Mr. Sims.

No, sir; but I do definitely remember him telling me about be sure and get the hulls.

Mr. Belin.

You definitely remember getting the hulls?

Mr. Sims.

Yes, sir; sure do.

Mr. Belin.

Have you and I ever talked before you walked through the door?

Mr. Sims.

No.

Mr. Belin.

As soon as you walked through the door, I had you raise your right hand and you started testifying, is that correct?

Mr. Sims.

Yes.

Mr. Belin.

Do you want to read this deposition, or are you going to sign the other deposition?

Mr. Sims.

No, sir; just go ahead.

Mr. Belin.

Ship it on in?

Mr. Sims.

Yes.

Mr. Belin.

All right, thank you, sir.

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Richard S. Stovall

Testimony of Richard S. Stovall

The testimony of Richard S. Stovall was taken at 11 a.m., on April 3, 1964, in the office of the U.S. attorney, 301 Post Office Building, Bryan and Ervay Streets, Dallas, Tex., by Mr. Joseph A. Ball, assistant counsel of the President's Commission.

Mr. Ball.

Would you please stand up, Mr. Stovall, and be sworn.
Do you solemnly swear that the testimony you give before this Commission will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?

Mr. Stovall.

I do.

Mr. Ball.

Will you please state your name for the record?