Mr. Belin.

Will you stand and raise your right hand. Do you solemnly swear that the testimony you are about to give will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?

Mr. Sims.

I do.

Mr. Belin.

You are Detective Richard M. Sims?

Mr. Sims.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Belin.

Of the Dallas Police Department?

Mr. Sims.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Belin.

Detective Sims, the day before yesterday you gave testimony in front of or before Joseph A. Ball?

Mr. Sims.

Yes.

Mr. Belin.

At that time the matter came up concerning cartridge case hulls that were found on the southeast corner of the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository Building on November 22, 1963. Do you remember that he asked about those?

Mr. Sims.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Belin.

Just for continuity of the record, would you tell us just how you came to see those hulls?

Mr. Sims.

Yes, sir; Captain Fritz, Boyd, and I, my partner, were on the seventh floor, and someone called us to the sixth floor and said the hulls had been found.
So we took the freight elevator, I believe, or the stairs, and went to the sixth floor. Went to the southeast corner and three hulls were laying there by the window on the floor.

Mr. Belin.

Did you pick up the hulls at that time?

Mr. Sims.

No, sir.

Mr. Belin.

What did you do?

Mr. Sims.

Waited for the arrival of Lieutenant Day with the crime lab to take pictures of the scene.

Mr. Belin.

Do you know who came with Lieutenant Day, if you can remember?

Mr. Sims.

Yes, sir. I believe it was Studebaker. I am not positive about that.

Mr. Belin.

Did you watch that area up until the time the pictures were taken?

Mr. Sims.

No, sir; I didn't stay there all the time.

Mr. Belin.

After the pictures were taken, what did you do?

Mr. Sims.

I was over there, I believe, when they finished up with the pictures, and I picked the three hulls up and laid them on what I believed to be a box of books there near the window, and Lieutenant Day dusted them for fingerprints.

Mr. Belin.

Then when your testimony was taken, did you specifically remember what you did with those hulls?

Mr. Sims.

I didn't remember who brought the hulls to the city hall.

Mr. Belin.

Since that time have you had an opportunity to refresh your recollection as to what happened to the hulls?

Mr. Sims.

Yes, sir; I talked to Captain Fritz and E. L. Boyd, my partner, and refreshed my memory.

Mr. Belin.

What was said, and what do you now say happened?

Mr. Sims.

Captain Fritz told me to get the hulls after Lieutenant Day finished with them and to take possession of them.

Mr. Belin.

What did you do?

Mr. Sims.

I did that.

Mr. Belin.

How did you take possession of them?

Mr. Sims.

I placed them in an envelope and put them in my coat pocket.

Mr. Belin.

Do you remember which pocket?

Mr. Sims.

No, sir.

Mr. Belin.

Then what did you do with them?

Mr. Sims.

When we got to the city hall, I gave them to Captain Fritz in his office.

Mr. Belin.

Do you remember what time that was, possibly?