Mr. Stern.
And he was snappy and arrogant and hostile?
Mr. Sims.
Yes; a form of arrogance, yes, sir.
Mr. Stern.
But was he harassed by this or was he still calm and in control?
Mr. Sims.
Well, he had control of himself; yes, sir.
Mr. Stern.
So that his snappiness was, would you say, his way of expressing his feelings?
Mr. Sims.
Well, I don't know--I don't know, but he was snappy at that time--at that press interview.
Mr. Stern.
That's all. Thank you.
That's all I have, Mr. Ball.
I believe Mr. Ely has a question or two.
Mr. Ely.
There's one thing maybe you can help us clear up now. You took--I'm referring to late Friday night or let's say early Saturday morning.
Mr. Sims.
Yes, sir.
Mr. Ely.
You took Oswald up to the jail office on the fourth floor--about what time?
Mr. Sims.
I took him up to the jail office approximately 12:20.
Mr. Ely.
And is that the last time you saw him before going home?
Mr. Sims.
Yes; and we turned him over to the jailers up there on the fourth floor at 12:23.
Mr. Ely.
And about what time did you leave to go home for the night?
Mr. Sims.
Well, I believe I'm not positive about this, but I believe that night Boyd and I worked later than the other officers did.
Mr. Ely.
Would you have any knowledge as to whether Oswald was checked out of the jail again after 12:23?
Mr. Sims.
Not to my knowledge. He was checked out later on in the day.
Mr. Ely.
Right, but I'm speaking of now of sometime around 12:30 again---a quarter of 1 or something like that--you wouldn't know anything about that?
Mr. Sims.
No, sir; I didn't know about that, but I checked him out later on that day. I don't know what time it was. I checked him out at 12:25 a.m.--I believe that's 10:25 a.m. is when I checked him out on the 23d.
Mr. Ely.
That's all I have, Mr. Ball.
Mr. Ball.
We have been attaching these as exhibits just for illustration, and do you mind if we mark it and make it part of your deposition?
Mr. Sims.
No, sir; that will be fine.
Mr. Ball.
All right. That will be Exhibit A of this deposition.
(Instrument marked by the reporter as "Sims Exhibit A," for identification.)
Mr. Ball.
That is the written report you made to the police department of the events of the investigation on Friday, November 22, and Saturday, November 23?
Mr. Sims.
Yes, sir; and the day of Oswald's murder on the 24th.
Mr. Ball.
That was the 24th?
Mr. Sims.
Yes, sir.
Mr. Ball.
This will be written up by the shorthand reporter and you can read it if you wish and make any changes you wish and sign it, or you can waive your signature and we will send it on to the Commission as you have here testified as she has taken it down.
Do you have any preference on that?
Mr. Sims.
No, sir.
Mr. Ball.
Do you want to waive your signature?
Mr. Sims.
Yes, sir.
Mr. Ball.
Fine. That will be all right. Thanks a lot.
Mr. Sims.
Yes, sir.
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Testimony of Richard M. Sims Resumed
The testimony of Richard M. Sims was taken at 10 a.m., on April 8, 1964, in the office of the U.S. attorney, 301 Post Office Building, Bryan and Ervay Streets, Dallas, Tex., by Mr. David W. Belin, assistant counsel of the President's Commission.
