(Testimony of Richard M. Sims)
Mr. Stern.
And those notes were destroyed when the memorandum was prepared?
Mr. Sims.
Mr. Boyd may have his--I don't have mine.
Mr. Stern.
You don't have your notes?
Mr. Sims.
No, sir; I don't have mine.
Mr. Stern.
The memorandum quotes a number of times--a very specific figure---is this because you had some record of these times?
Mr. Sims.
We keep records of the time that things happen.
Mr. Stern.
To the nearest minutes?
Mr. Sims.
Yes.
Mr. Stern.
And that's why you can be so precise in your memorandum?
Mr. Sims.
That's right.
Mr. Stern.
The information you gave us a little earlier describing the two police and the jail clerk that were in the first two lineups, your statement there was based upon notes that you brought here with you; is that right?
Mr. Sims.
You mean their descriptions?
Mr. Stern.
Yes; their descriptions.
Mr. Sims.
Yes, sir; I got the descriptions after I was notified to be over here.
Mr. Stern.
Do you know these individuals?
Mr. Sims.
Yes; I know them.
Mr. Stern.
And these descriptions are accurate?
Mr. Sims.
Well, I don't know about the weight. I got this off of their descriptions we have up there in the ID bureau in the personnel file--that weight, I believe, Perry's--I just guessed at the weight.
Mr. Stern.
Do you have the same descriptions available for the two city prisoners?
Mr. Sims.
Yes, sir; I have those.
Mr. Stern.
Would you tell us what those are?
Mr. Sims.
Yes, sir. Richard Walter Borchgardt, he is 23 years of age, 5' 9", 161 pounds, blue eyes, blond hair, and ruddy complexion.
Ellis Carl Brazel [spelling] B-r-a-z-e-1, he"s 22 years of age, 5' 10", 169 pounds. Now, this weight could be one way or the other because this was at the time that they were arrested when they got this description.
Mr. Stern.
This information was obtained from police records?
Mr. Sims.
Yes, sir. He has green eyes, blond hair, and ruddy complexion.
Mr. Stern.
As far as you now remember, does it accurately describe the two?
Mr. Sims.
I couldn't say. I know it was what we had in our identification jacket--these are their descriptions.
Mr. Stern.
But you have no independent recollection now of their description?
Mr. Sims.
No, sir.
Mr. Stern.
At page 3 of your memorandum, in describing events at the School Book Depository, the memorandum states, and this occurred just after Lieutenant Day picked up the rifle and dusted it for fingerprints the memorandum states: "Some man then called Captain Fritz, and he walked over to where the man was. This man gave Captain Fritz the name of Lee Harvey Oswald and his home address in Irving, Tex."
Would you give me something more about that--how Oswald's name came up and in what context the name was given?
Mr. Sims.
Yes, sir; this man, I believe, was some supervisor there at the store, and he gave Captain Fritz Oswald's name and address.
Mr. Stern.
Do you know why he gave it to him? In what connection he gave it to him?
Mr. Stern.
I'm not positive about this, but I believe that Oswald was missing.
Mr. Stern.
I see.
Mr. Sims.
In other words, most of the employees returned back to their jobs after the assassination.
Mr. Stern.
Do you know whether any other employees were missing?
Mr. Sims.
No; I don't.
Mr. Stern.
But as far as you know, that was the only name mentioned? Mentioned by the supervisor at the Book Depository?
Mr. Sims.
As far as I know; yes.
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