Mr. Stern.

Now, the search in which you participated of Oswald at 4:05 on Friday, just before the first showup---you have told us that either you or Mr. Boyd found five live rounds of .38 caliber pistol shells, and a bus transfer slip, and an identification bracelet, according to your memorandum--Oswald took his ring off and gave it to you?

Mr. Sims.

That's right.

Mr. Stern.

Do you recall that?

Mr. Sims.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Stern.

Do you remember anything else that was found on Oswald at that time?

Mr. Sims.

No, sir; I don't remember anything else.

Mr. Stern.

A wallet or identification card?

Mr. Sims.

No, sir; that had been taken off of him.

Mr. Stern.

That had been taken off of him upon his arrest at the time of his arrest?

Mr. Sims.

Well, I don't know when, but he didn't have it on.

Mr. Stern.

Did you say anything to him at that time about the ownership of these things, about the ownership of the pistol shells---cartridges--did you comment on that?

Mr. Sims.

No, sir.

Mr. Stern.

Did he say anything about it?

Mr. Stern.

No, sir; there was no comment at all.

Mr. Stern.

Or on the bus transfer slip?

Mr. Sims.

No, sir; he was asked something about it--I don't remember what I asked or what he said.

Mr. Stern.

Mr. Sims, what was your impression of Oswald during Friday and Saturday, what kind of man did he seem to you--what was his demeanor like, what impression did you get about him and the way he was conducting himself?

Mr. Sims.

Well, he conducted himself, I believe, better than anyone I have ever seen during interrogation. He was calm and wasn't nervous.

Mr. Stern.

He knew what questions he wanted to answer and what questions he didn't?

Mr. Sims.

He had the answers ready when you got through with the questions.

Mr. Stern.

Did he complain at any point about his treatment during the course of the day?

Mr. Sims.

No, sir; I asked him if he wanted a cigarette, and I asked him if he wanted a drink of water or to go to the rest room and things of that nature, and I don't believe he ever accepted any of them.

Mr. Stern.

But he was never complaining about his treatment?

Mr. Sims.

Oh, he complained two or three times---I don't know what it was about--about not having a lawyer or something. He said he wanted a lawyer, and things of that nature.

Mr. Stern.

But not about his physical treatment?

Mr. Sims.

No; I believe he told us that--he was talking about his eye, and he told us that he deserved to get hit in the eye--I believe he said he deserved being hit in the eye.

Mr. Stern.

Why was that?

Mr. Sims.

Because the officer had a right to do that--I believe that's what he told us.

Mr. Stern.

What about obtaining a lawyer, what did he say about that?

Mr. Sims.

He said he wanted to obtain a lawyer. He named some lawyer up in New York.

Mr. Stern.

He said that to you or to Captain Fritz in your presence?

Mr. Sims.

Well, I heard it--I don't know whether he said it to me-- whether he told it to Captain Fritz or he may have told it to me.

Mr. Stern.

What was the response from the police officer in charge at any time he mentioned getting a lawyer?

Mr. Sims.

I don't know what it was. I believe he used the telephone.

Mr. Stern.

Did he seem tired to you in the course of the interrogations? Or showups?

Mr. Sims.

No, sir.