Mr. Ball.

Now, you took him back to the jail office at 12:20?

Mr. Sims.

Yes; we took him back to the jail office at 12:20 a.m. on November the 23d.

Mr. Ball.

And you turned him over to the jailer?

Mr. Sims.

No, sir; we took him up to the fourth floor.

Mr. Ball.

And what did you do then?

Mr. Sims.

We turned him over to the jailers there.

Mr. Ball.

You turned him over to the jailers on the fourth floor?

Mr. Sims.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Now, the next day, did you see him?

Mr. Sims.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

What time did you go to work?

Mr. Sims.

Well, let's see, I arrived for work at 9:30 a.m.

Mr. Ball.

And when did you first see Oswald?

Mr. Sims.

We checked at 10:25 a.m.--we checked--Boyd and I checked Lee Harvey Oswald out of jail and brought him to Captain Fritz' office for questioning.

Mr. Ball.

Who was present at that time?

Mr. Sims.

Let's see, Mr. Bookhout of the FBI and Robert Nash who is the U.S. marshal, Mr. Kelley of the Secret Service.

Mr. Ball.

And who else?

Mr. Sims.

And that was all.

Mr. Ball.

And yourself?

Mr. Sims.

No, sir; I believe it says here "Boyd and Hall stayed in the office during the interrogation."

Mr. Ball.

You weren't in there?

Mr. Sims.

No, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Do you know why you left--did you have something else to do?

Mr. Sims.

No, sir; I don't know if I was called out or what.

Mr. Ball.

And how long did that interrogation take?

Mr. Sims.

We returned him back to the jail at 11:30 a.m.

Mr. Ball.

What did you do after that?

Mr. Sims.

Then, shortly afterward, myself and Boyd and Hall and Detective C. N. Dhority, (spelling) D-h-o-r-i-t-y--we went to Oswald's room at 1026 North Beckley.

Mr. Ball.

Who told you to do that?

Mr. Sims.

Captain Fritz.

Mr. Ball.

And what did you do out there?

Mr. Sims.

We made another search of his room.

Mr. Ball.

What do you mean by "search"--did you have a search warrant?

Mr. Sims.

I don't remember if we had a search warrant or not.

Mr. Ball.

You went in the house, did you?

Mr. Sims.

Yes; we went in the house.

Mr. Ball.

Did you talk to the owner, Mrs. Johnson?

Mr. Sims.

Yes; we talked to him.

Mr. Ball.

Mr. or Mrs.--which one?

Mr. Sims.

I believe both of them was there; I'm not positive about that.

Mr. Ball.

And you went into Oswald's room, didn't you?

Mr. Sims.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

And what did you see?

Mr. Sims.

I think all we found in there was a paper clip or something of that nature. I don't remember what it was.

Mr. Ball.

A paper clip?

Mr. Sims.

We didn't find anything.

Mr. Ball.

Did you take anything away with you?

Mr. Sims.

Yes, sir; we took the paper clip and a rubber band or something--I don't know what it was--it wasn't anything to speak of, I know, the room was clean.

Mr. Ball.

What time did you arrive and what time did you leave?

Mr. Sims.

Well, shortly after 11:30 we left--we arrived at 11:59 and left at 12:30.

Mr. Ball.

What did you do after that?