Mr. Ball.

call it--it's where the officers meet there, where the showup room is--the assembly room.

Mr. Ball.

And was he on the stage?

Mr. Sims.

No, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Where was he?

Mr. Sims.

He was in front of the stage.

Mr. Ball.

And--in front of the stage?

Mr. Sims.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

And what happened?

Mr. Sims.

Well, he had--the room was full of newspapermen.

Mr. Ball.

And what did they do?

Mr. Sims.

Well, I believe they had a little short interview there with him.

Mr. Ball.

Did they ask him questions?

Mr. Sims.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

Did he answer?

Mr. Sims.

He answered; yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Were the television cameras in there also?

Mr. Sims.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

And this was about what time?

Mr. Sims.

Well, it would be about 12--we kept him in there about 5 minutes and went to the jail office about 12:20, so that would have been about, I guess, about 12:15.

Mr. Ball.

Tell me exactly what Chief Curry told you before you took him down there--what were his exact instructions?

Mr. Sims.

I don't believe Chief Curry said anything to me.

Mr. Ball.

Captain Fritz told you to take him down there?

Mr. Sims.

We were told to take him down to the press--to the police assembly room.

Mr. Ball.

Who gave you those specific orders?

Mr. Sims.

Well, I couldn't say who gave me those specific orders.

Mr. Ball.

Do you think it was Fritz?

Mr. Sims.

I just don't remember who it was.

Mr. Ball.

You have stated in your notes that Chief Curry came to Fritz' office and told you to take Oswald down in front of the stage at the showup room?

Mr. Sims.

Let's see (reading from instrument in his possession) "* * * shortly afterwards Chief Curry and Captain Fritz came to Captain Fritz' office and told us to take Oswald down out in front of the stage at the showup room."

Mr. Ball.

Does that look like it was Curry that told you that?

Mr. Sims.

I don't know which one of them told us.

Mr. Ball.

Did one of the two tell you?

Mr. Sims.

Yes; evidently they did.

Mr. Ball.

And what else did they tell you?

Mr. Sims.

(Reading from instrument in his hand.) "Chief Curry gave us instructions not to let anyone touch Oswald, and if they attempted to do so, for us to take him to jail immediately."

Mr. Ball.

This was in connection with the press interview with Oswald, wasn't it?

Mr. Sims.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Do you remember what questions were asked Oswald?

Mr. Sims.

No, sir; I don't.

Mr. Ball.

Did they ask him whether or not he had shot the President?

Mr. Sims.

I believe that was asked--yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

What did he tell them?

Mr. Sims.

He told them "no."

Mr. Ball.

Did they ask him if he had killed Tippit or shot Tippit?

Mr. Sims.

I don't remember if they did or not--it was just a bunch of them hollering at him--that's all I remember.

Mr. Ball.

A bunch of them doing what?

Mr. Sims.

A bunch of them hollering at him--talking to him.

Mr. Ball.

Were they talking loud?

Mr. Sims.

Yes, sir; it was pretty noisy.