(Testimony of Richard M. Sims)
Mr. Sims.
I don't recall if they did or not.
Mr. Ball.
Oswald had a T-shirt on, didn't he?
Mr. Sims.
He had on a brown shirt, some kind of a brown shirt, and he had a white T-shirt on underneath that.
Mr. Ball.
Underneath that?
Mr. Sims.
Yes; underneath that.
Mr. Ball.
His clothes were rougher looking than the other men?
Mr. Sims.
Well, I don't imagine that he would be dressed as nice as the officers were, as far as their clothes.
Mr. Ball.
Well, the other three men that were in the showup, did they have coats on--did anyone have a coat on?
Mr. Sims.
Well, I don't believe Mr. Ables--I'm pretty sure he didn't have a coat on and don't believe any of the officers had them on--I don't remember how they was dressed as far as their coats go.
Mr. Ball.
Do you remember whether or not they had ties on?
Mr. Sims.
No, sir; I don't.
Mr. Ball.
Who conducted the showup?
Mr. Sims.
Well, the second showup, I'm not positive, but I believe I conducted the second showup.
Mr. Ball.
How did you conduct it?
Mr. Sims.
Well, they are all under a number and I would have them---one, two, three, and four, and No. 1 stand on that center black square there and give their names and age and address and if they own a car, where they went to school, where they were born, where they were raised.
Mr. Ball.
Did you know who was out in the audience with the witnesses?
Mr. Sims.
No, sir; I didn't.
Mr. Ball.
Do you know the names of any of the witnesses?
Mr. Sims.
No, sir; I didn't.
Mr. Ball.
Did you hear any conversation that came from the audience side of the showup?
Mr. Sims.
None that I can recall.
Mr. Ball.
Now, did you give us in your first showup the numbers assigned to these people?
Mr. Sims.
Yes, sir.
Mr. Ball.
Nos. 1, 2, 3, and 4?
Mr. Sims.
Yes, sir.
Mr. Ball.
All right.
Mr. Sims.
I'm sure I did.
Mr. Ball.
Well, I wasn't sure you did, but give us the numbers assigned to the second showup.
Mr. Sims.
The first showup at 4:05 was No. 1, Bill Perry, Lee Oswald, R. L. Clark, and Don Ables.
Mr. Ball.
That was the order---one, two, three, four?
Mr. Sims.
Yes, sir; one, two, three, four.
Mr. Ball.
Now, give us the order of the second showup?
Mr. Sims.
Numbered the same for the second showup.
Mr. Ball.
The same numbers?
Mr. Sims.
Yes, sir.
Mr. Ball.
The same men?
Mr. Sims.
Same men and same numbers.
Mr. Ball.
After that showup, what did you do?
Mr. Sims.
We went back to Captain Fritz' office, and let me see, at 6:37, we left the showup and went back to Captain Fritz' office.
Mr. Ball.
And what did you do then?
Mr. Sims.
We stayed with Oswald.
Mr. Ball.
Now, in your report, you mentioned that a murder complaint was signed by Fritz that evening?
Mr. Sims.
Yes, sir.
Mr. Ball.
Were you present when that happened?
Mr. Sims.
Yes.
Mr. Ball.
Was Oswald present also?
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