Mr. Sims.

Yes, sir; W. E. Perry, he is 34 years of age, 5'10 1/2" and about 170, I believe and that's a guess, now. He has brown hair, blue eyes, and dark complexion. Richard L. Clark is 31, 5'9 3/4", 170, has blond hair, blue eyes, and ruddy complexion.
Now, these weights could be different now--I don't know. Don Ables is 26, 5'9", 165, and brown hair.

Mr. Ball.

What kind of complexion does Don Ables have?

Mr. Sims.

I don't have that here--I believe he's just ruddy complexion, I believe.

Mr. Ball.

Now, in the showup, where were you, on the stage or in the audience?

Mr. Sims.

I was on the stage.

Mr. Ball.

And did you hear anything that was said from the audience part of the showup?

Mr. Sims.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

What did you hear?

Mr. Sims.

Well, someone was asking each one in the showup a few questions.

Mr. Ball.

Do you know who that was that asked the questions in the first showup?

Mr. Sims.

I'm not positive, but I believe it was Detective Leavelle in our office conducted the first showup.

Mr. Ball.

And what questions did they ask?

Mr. Sims.

I couldn't say the exact questions, but as a rule, his age and address and where he went to school and where he was born and just a few questions like that, just to have them say a few words.

Mr. Ball.

Did Leavelle ask all of the questions?

Mr. Sims.

He asked all four of the men in the showup.

Mr. Ball.

How did Oswald act at this showup; tell me what he did and what he said?
Mr. Well, he just acted more or less like the other--acted natural.

Mr. Ball.

Answered the questions?

Mr. Sims.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Did he protest any?

Mr. Sims.

No, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Did he say that he had a T-shirt on and no one else had a T-shirt on?

Mr. Sims.

No, sir; now, I think the showup that I didn't conduct the next day, I believe he refused to answer questions or said something about a T-shirt or something.

Mr. Ball.

He didn't say anything of that sort?

Mr. Sims.

No, sir; he acted normal, with the other showups I was in.

Mr. Ball.

He answered the questions?

Mr. Sims.

Yes, sir; he did.

Mr. Ball.

Did you hear anything else from the audience side of the showup?

Mr. Sims.

No, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Do you know the names of any witnesses that were out there?

Mr. Sims.

No, sir; I didn't know who was out there.

Mr. Ball.

Did you talk to any of the witnesses that were out there?

Mr. Sims.

No, sir; I didn't.

Mr. Ball.

Either before or after the showup, did you talk to any of the witnesses out there?

Mr. Sims.

I don't believe I did--I don't believe so.

Mr. Ball.

Did you take any statements from any of the witnesses in this showup?

Mr. Sims.

No, sir.

Mr. Ball.

After this showup, what did you do?

Mr. Sims.

We brought Oswald back to the office there.

Mr. Ball.

To the interrogation room?

Mr. Sims.

No, sir; back to Captain Fritz' office at 4:20.

Mr. Ball.

At 4:20?

Mr. Sims.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

Who was present in Captain Fritz' office at that time?