Mr. Ball.

"The Texas Depository Building at Elm and Houston."
Do you know whether you could have heard that?

Mr. Sims.

Well, our radio was on--I could have heard, that; yes, sir. We got to the hospital, I guess, about that time and we did have our radio on.

Mr. Ball.

When you went in the front door, who was with you?

Mr. Sims.

Captain Fritz, Boyd, and I.

Mr. Ball.

Where did you go?

Mr. Sims.

We went directly to the elevator.

Mr. Ball.

Which elevator?

Mr. Sims.

The main passenger elevator.

Mr. Ball.

It was a freight elevator, wasn't it?

Mr. Sims.

No, sir; I think the passenger elevator goes to about the third floor and then the freight elevator takes over.

Mr. Ball.

You went up in the passenger elevator in the front of the building?

Mr. Sims.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

And you went as far as it could go, did you?

Mr. Sims.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

What did you do then?

Mr. Sims.

Then, we caught the freight elevator.

Mr. Ball.

That would be in another part of the building?

Mr. Sims.

Yes; I think it's on the north end of the building.

Mr. Ball.

Did somebody direct you where to go to get the freight elevator?

Mr. Sims.

I believe--I'm not positive whether they did or not.

Mr. Ball.

And where did you go from there?

Mr. Sims.

Well, we got off on the third floor and there were officers there, so we went all the way up and we started to the seventh floor, actually, and there was officers on every floor as we went up.

Mr. Ball.

And where did you go first?

Mr. Sims.

Well, we stopped at the second floor, first.

Mr. Ball.

Now, were you on the elevator at that time?

Mr. Sims.

No, sir--it was full of officers.

Mr. Ball.

Do you know who some of the officers were?

Mr. Sims.

Yes; I don't know which ones I can remember, but Lieutenant Revill was there, I believe.

Mr. Ball.

At 2:35, you mentioned two officers.

Mr. Sims.

Lieutenant Revill and Detective Westphal was over there with us.

Mr. Ball.

Are they with homicide?

Mr. Sims.

No, sir; they are with the special service bureau.

Mr. Ball.

What is the special service bureau?

Mr. Sims.

Well, it's a combination of vice, narcotics, and undercover work.

Mr. Ball.

Now, you got, you said, up to the third floor?

Mr. Sims.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

And where did you go then?

Mr. Sims.

Well, let's see, we got off--we stopped at the second floor and went to the third floor and some officer there had a key to a room and we made a hurried search of it and there was a bunch of officers on that floor and we went on to the fourth floor, and I don't know if we got off at the fourth or not, but anyway, we got off at the seventh floor each floor as we passed would have officers on it, and we hadn't been on the seventh floor very long--for just a while until someone hollered that they had found the hulls on the sixth floor, so we went back to the sixth floor.

Mr. Ball.

Someone on the seventh floor told you they had found the hulls?

Mr. Sims.

No, sir; someone hollered from the sixth floor that the hulls had been found.

Mr. Ball.

And you could hear them?

Mr. Sims.

Yes, sir; you could hear them.

Mr. Ball.

Did you go down the stairway?

Mr. Sims.

No, sir; we went back down the elevator, as well as I remember.

Mr. Ball.

And where did you go when you got off of the elevator?

Mr. Sims.

We may have had to climb the stairs from six to seven--I don't remember how high that elevator goes. I know we went back to the sixth floor.

Mr. Ball.

And where did you go when you got off at the sixth floor?