Mr. Sims.

We went over to the corner window there.

Mr. Ball.

Which corner?

Mr. Sims.

It would be the one on Houston and Elm, that corner there--it would be the southeast corner.

Mr. Ball.

It was the southeast corner?

Mr. Sims.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

And what did you see?

Mr. Sims.

We saw the boxes stacked up about--I don't know--three or four stacks high and found three empty hulls laying there next to the wall of the Elm Street side of the building, the front of the building.

Mr. Ball.

Who was there when you saw them?

Mr. Sims.

Well, there was two or three officers was there when we got there, and I believe the officer that found them was still there. I have his name here someplace.

Mr. Ball.

Was he a deputy sheriff?

Mr. Sims.

Yes, he was a deputy sheriff.

Mr. Ball.

And who else--Luke Mooney?

Mr. Sims.

Yes--there was two or three officers there besides us--I don't know who all.

Mr. Ball.

And did Luke tell you whether or not he had moved the hulls or not?

Mr. Sims.

He said he had left them like he had found them.

Mr. Ball.

Did you take a picture of those hulls?

Mr. Sims.

Lieutenant Day did, I believe.

Mr. Ball.

Was he there right at the time?

Mr. Sims.

No, sir; he didn't get there until a few minutes later.

Mr. Ball.

Did you see the picture taken of the hulls?

Mr. Sims.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

You saw Day take the pictures, did you?

Mr. Sims.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

He was the cameraman, was he?

Mr. Sims.

Well, there was another one there too. Actually, it was Detective Studebaker that works for him.

Mr. Ball.

Studebaker and Day?

Mr. Sims.

I believe it was Studebaker.

Mr. Ball.

Did they both have cameras?

Mr. Sims.

I don't remember if they both had cameras or not.

Mr. Ball.

You saw one of them at least take a picture?

Mr. Sims.

Yes; I know pictures was being taken.

Mr. Ball.

When the picture was taken, were the hulls in the same position as when you had first seen them?

Mr. Sims.

Yes, sir; they were.

Mr. Ball.

What else did you see that day?

Mr. Sims.

Well, someone then hollered--we started a search of the sixth floor then, going from east to west--all the officers, and someone had found the rifle over by the stairway.

Mr. Ball.

That would be in what corner of the building?

Mr. Sims.

That would be in actually the northwest corner of the building.

Mr. Ball.

And what happened then?

Mr. Sims.

Then, we went over to where the rifle was found.

Mr. Ball.

Did you see the rifle?

Mr. Sims.

Yes; I saw the rifle.

Mr. Ball.

Where was the rifle?

Mr. Sims.

It was laying there near a stairway, partially covered by some paper.

Mr. Ball.

Did you see any pictures taken of that? Of the rifle at that location?

Mr. Sims.

Yes, sir; I did.

Mr. Ball.

Who took that picture?

Mr. Sims.

Well, it was either Studebaker or Lieutenant Day.

Mr. Ball.

Who saw the picture taken---did you?

Mr. Sims.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

And then what did you do?

Mr. Sims.

Then we finished there and went--started to go to the city hall.