Mr. Ball.

Where were you when you heard the President had been shot?

Mr. Sims.

We were at the President's table. Chief Stevenson called Captain Fritz over and told him the President had been involved in an accident.

Mr. Ball.

That was about what time of day?

Mr. Sims.

That was about 12:40, I believe, sir.

Mr. Ball.

What did you do then?

Mr. Sims.

Chief Stevenson told us to go to the hospital, Parkland Hospital, so we did.

Mr. Ball.

Whom did you go with?

Mr. Sims.

Captain Fritz and Boyd and I, and I drove.

Mr. Ball.

Captain Fritz is the head of homicide squadron, isn't he?

Mr. Sims.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

And Boyd is your partner?

Mr. Sims.

Yes; Boyd is my partner since 1957.

Mr. Ball.

And what did you do over there when you got to Parkland?

Mr. Sims.

Well, we arrived at Parkland and we saw that Chief Curry was there in front of the hospital, so he directed us back to the Depository Store, down to the Book Store.

Mr. Ball.

Tell me this--what did he say--what did he tell you to do?

Mr. Sims.

I don't remember the exact words, but he told us to go back to the store at the triple underpass--I don't remember what it was--I couldn't say for sure.

Mr. Ball.

Did anybody tell you at that time that there had been anyone in the Texas Depository Book Building that had done the shooting?

Mr. Sims.

No, sir; I think at that time it was strictly speculation from where the shot had been fired.

Mr. Ball.

He just told you to go back to the scene of the shooting?

Mr. Sims.

Yes--as I said, I couldn't say for sure.

Mr. Ball.

Did you go back there back to Elm and Houston?

Mr. Sims.

Yes, sir; we went directly to the Book Store and Sheriff Bill Decker rode back with us.

Mr. Ball.

And you went right to the building?

Mr. Sims.

Yes, sir; and pulled up in front of it there in front of the building.

Mr. Ball.

On the way back, did you hear anything over the radio?

Mr. Sims.

Yes, sir; we heard them mention the Book Store.

Mr. Ball.

What did they say--what did you hear?

Mr. Sims.

Well, now, I don't know.

Mr. Ball.

You heard something about it?

Mr. Sims.

Yes, sir; we went there for some reason--I know that.

Mr. Ball.

Was it something you heard over the radio that directed you to go there?

Mr. Sims.

We went directly to the store and parked there in front.

Mr. Ball.

What did you do after that?

Mr. Sims.

Well, we took our rifles out of the car and shotgun, and proceeded to the building, went in the building.

Mr. Ball.

What door of the building did you go in?

Mr. Sims.

The front door.

Mr. Ball.

Who was with you?

Mr. Sims.

Captain Fritz and Boyd and I.

Mr. Ball.

Could you tell me about what time you got to the building?

Mr. Sims.

Yes, sir; I got it here--about 12:58--about 1 o'clock.

Mr. Ball.

The radio log of that day at 12:36 shows that the following was broadcast from the police radio log: "The witness says shots came from the fifth floor of the Texas Book Depository Store at Houston and Elm. I have him with me now and we are sealing off the building."
Do you think you heard that?

Mr. Sims.

No, sir; I wouldn't have heard that. We didn't hear about the shooting until 12:40, but we had to have heard something or we wouldn't have went directly to the Book Store like we did.

Mr. Ball.

At 12:45, there was a broadcast that stated: "All the information we have received indicates it did come from the fifth floor of that building."
"Which building?"