Mr. Ball.

How many shots did you hear?

Mr. Skelton.

I think I heard four---I mean---I couldn't be sure.

Mr. Ball.

You think you heard four?

Mr. Skelton.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

How long did you stay there after you heard the fourth shot?

Mr. SKELTON. Not very long--just as soon as the cars sped away and everything was in a big commotion---we ran down to listen to the radio. We couldn't get anything off of that--we heard that the President had been shot and so we went back up there and the police officer asked us if we had seen the assassination and we told him we had. He said he would like to get a statement from us, so he took us over to the sheriff's office.

Mr. Ball.

Did you see any pigeons flying or anything like that?

Mr. Skelton.

No, sir; I didn't see anything like that--any pigeons at all.

Mr. Ball.

I think that's all I have. This will be written up and submitted to you for your signature, if you want to sign it, or you can waive your signature. Which do you want to do?

Mr. Skelton.

I will waive my signature. I am sure it is all right.

Mr. Ball.

That is fine. Thank you very much.

Mr. Skelton.

There's one thing I could say---you have that other report?

Mr. Ball.

What is that?
Mr. SKELTON. About when I saw one of the bullets where it hit on the pavement and it hit, the smoke did come from the general vicinity of where you say Oswald was.

Mr. Ball.

Wait a minute let me ask you some questions about that. Tell me, now, about the smoke did you see some smoke?

Mr. Skelton.

After those two shots, and the car came on down closer to the triple underpass, well, there was another shot--two more shots I heard, but one of them--I saw a bullet, or I guess it was a bullet--I take for granted it was--- hit in the left front of the President's car on the cement, and when it did, the smoke carried with it--away from the building.

Mr. Ball.

You mean there was some smoke in the building?

Mr. Skelton.

No.; On the pavement--you know, pavement when it is hit with
a hard object it will scatter---it will spread.

Mr. Ball.

Which way did it spread?

Mr. Skelton.

It spread just right in line, like you said.

Mr. Ball.

I haven't said anything--tell me what you think it was?

Mr. SKELTON. Like I said---south of us--it would be southwest, you know, in a direct line from the Texas Depository.

Mr. Ball.

I see. In other words, the spray seemed to go to the west; is that right?

Mr. Skelton.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

All right. Thanks very much. I'm going to get you to mark one of these maps and show where you were standing. Here is Elm and here is the railroad underpass and pay no attention to the diagrams, but show me about where you were standing.

Mr. SKELTON. I was about right there (marked instrument referred to as requested by Counsel Ball).

Mr. Ball.

By that "X" we will put the word "Skelton" and that is where

you were standing with your friend?

Mr. Skelton.

Approximately--yes.
Mr. BALL. Now, did you see any smoke or anything from any place around there?
Mr. SKELTON. No, sir; I just stated to your secretary that I heard people say they did, but I didn't.

Mr. Ball.

But you did see something light on the street?

Mr. Skelton.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

About where?

Mr. SKELTON. A bullet---let's see---this is kind of out of proportion [referring to diagram], and I would say the bullet hit about right here [indicating on diagram].

Mr. Ball.

Then, let's mark that as "Skelton (2)" and we will make the first