Mr. Ball.

Did you know any of them?

Mr. SKELTON. Well, I know by sight--I knew the electrician, an old man that's an electrician.

Mr. Ball.

Frank Reilly?

Mr. Skelton.

Is that his name?

Mr. Ball.

The man that was here a moment ago---his name is Reilly.

Mr. Skelton.

I know him when I see him.

Mr. Ball.

Yes--

Mr. Skelton.

And Austin Miller, of course.

Mr. Ball.

Did you know Dodd, the employee of the railroad?

Mr. SKELTON. No, sir; like I say, I recognized them off and on when I see them around there.

Mr. Ball.

Did you see any police officers there?

Mr. Skelton.

Yes; this man right here they say it was him---I don't recall whether it was or not.

Mr. Ball.

Who--Mr. Brown?

Mr. SKELTON. The one who was in here just a while ago--they say he was the one up there, but I don't know.

Mr. Ball.

You didn't recognize him there?

Mr. Skelton.

No; I didn't recognize him.

Mr. Ball.

In other words, you saw some police officers up there?

Mr. Skelton.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Where were they standing?

Mr. Skelton.

There was one standing directly behind me, I think, or in the general vicinity, and there was one on the far side of the triple underpass.

Mr. Ball.

By "far side," you mean where?

Mr. Skelton.

It would be back on this side.

Mr. Ball.

It would be south?

Mr. Skelton.

No, sir; that would be the east side isn't it?

Mr. Ball.

. Elm runs east and west.

Mr. Skelton.

It would be the west side.

Mr. Ball.

It would be west?

Mr. Skelton.

Yes, sir; and then there was one back over here on Stemmons---I noticed one, at least, over there and one on the railroad overpass on Stemmons.

Mr. Ball.

How many police officers were on this overpass, the railroad overpass?

Mr. Skelton.

Two, I would say, sir. That's all I saw.

Mr. Ball.

And how many men did you see standing right near on the railroad overpass over Elm, just approximately?

Mr. Skelton.

Eight, including the officer--eight or nine.

Mr. Ball.

Did you see the President's car turn on Elm Street?

Mr. Skelton.

Yes, sir; I saw the car carrying the Presidential flag turn.

Mr. Ball.

And did you hear something soon after that?

Mr. Skelton.

Just about the same time the car straightened up--got around the corner--I heard two shots, but I didn't know at that time they were shots.

Mr. Ball.

Where did they seem to come from?

Mr. Skelton.

Well, I couldn't tell then, they were still so far from where I was.

Mr. Ball.

Did the shots sound like they came from where you were standing?

Mr. Skelton.

No, sir; definitely not. It sounded like they were right there more or less like motorcycle backfire, but I thought that they were these dumbballs that they throw at the cement because I could see the smoke coming up off the cement.

Mr. Ball.

You saw some smoke come off of the cement?

Mr. Skelton.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

Where did it seem to you that the sound came from, what direction?

Mr. Skelton.

Towards the President's car.

Mr. Ball.

From the President's car?

Mr. SKELTON. Right around the motorcycles and all that--I couldn't distinguish because it was too far away.

Mr. Ball.

How long did you stand there?
Mr. SKELTON. I stood there from about 12:15 until the time the President was shot.