Mr. Ball.

Skelton number (1) and then Skelton number (2), and this "X" mark here is where you saw the bullet, and which way did the spray go?

Mr. Skelton.

Just like it was going there.
Mr. BALL. Mark an arrow showing the direction that you think the spray was going.

Mr. Skelton.

(Marks the diagram with arrow.)

Mr. BALL. That's fine, and we will make that as an exhibit, Skelton Exhibit A and attach it to your deposition.
(Instrument marked by the reporter as "Skelton Exhibit A," for identification.)

Mr. Ball.

Thank you and that is all.

Mr. Skelton.

Thank you.

S. M. Holland

Testimony of S. M. Holland

The testimony of S. M. Holland was taken at 2:20 p.m., on April 8, 1964, in the office of the U.S. attorney, 301 Post Office Building, Bryan and Ervay Streets, Dallas, Tex, by Mr. Samuel A. Stern, assistant counsel of the President's Commission. Mr. S. M. Holland was accompanied by his attorney, Mr. Balford Morrison.

Mr. STERN. Would you rise please and raise your right hand so as to be sworn. Do you solemnly swear the testimony that you are about to give will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?

Mr. Holland.

I do.

Mr. Stern.

Sit down, please. You have recorded Mr. Morrison's presence?
THE REPORTER. Yes.

Mr. Stern.

Mr. Holland. you have received a letter from the Commission

asking you to come and testify today?

Mr. Holland.

Yes.
Mr. STERN. As you know, the Commission is inquiring into all of the facts Concerning the assassination of President Kennedy and we want your evidence concerning what you saw at the time of the assassination from the place you were standing. May we have, for the record, your name and residence address?

Mr. Holland.

S. M. Holland, 1119 Lucille Street. Irving, Tex.

Mr. Stern.

What is your occupation?

Mr. Holland.

Signal supervisor for Union Terminal Railroad.

Mr. Stern.

How long have you been employed by that organization?

Mr. Holland.

Union Terminal since 1938.
Mr. STERN. Now, on Friday, November 22, will you describe what you did. concerning the President's visit and where you were.
Mr. HOLLAND. Well. about 11:00 o'clock, a couple of policemen and a plainclothesman, came up on top of the triple underpass. and we had some men working up there, and I knew that they was going to have a parade, and I left my office and walked up to the underpass to talk to the policemen. And they asked me during the parade if I would come back up there and identify people that was supposed to be on that overpass. That is, the railroad people.

Mr. Stern.

Where are your offices, Mr. Holland?

Mr. Holland.

At the Union Terminal Station.

Mr. Stern.

Is that within walking distance of the triple overpass?

Mr. HOLLAND. Yes, it is. About--less than a quarter of a mile a very short distance.

Mr. Stern.

And these policemen that you spoke to, there were 3 altogether?
Mr. HOLLAND. Two---there were 2 city policemen and 1 man in plainclothes. I didn't talk to him. I talked to the city policemen.

Mr. Stern.

You don't know what his affiliation was?

Mr. Holland.

I know he was a plainclothes detective, or FBI agent or something