Mr. Frazier.

cartridges, gunpowder tests, bullet holes, examinations of clothing, and other similar types of examinations.

Mr. Specter.

In the course of your duties have you had an occasion to examine the clothing which was purportedly worn by President John Kennedy November 22, 1963?

Mr. Frazier.

Yes, sir; I have.

Mr. Specter.

And do you have that clothing with you at the present time, sir?

Mr. Frazier.

I have certain parts of it. I have the coat, shirt, tie, and the bandages and support belt which he allegedly was wearing that day.

Mr. Specter.

Would you refer at this time to the coat, if you please, which, may the record show, has heretofore been marked as Commission Exhibit 393.
And by referring to that coat will you describe what, if anything, you observed on the rear side of the coat?

Mr. Frazier.

There was located on the rear of the coat 5 3/8 inches below the top of the collar, a hole, further located as 1 3/4 inches to the right of the midline or the seam down the center of the coat; all of these being as you look at the back of the coat.

Mr. Specter.

What characteristics did you note, if any, on the nature of that hole?

Mr. Frazier.

I noticed that the hole penetrated both the outer and lining areas of the coat, that it was roughly circular in shape. When I first examined it it was approximately one-fourth of an inch in diameter, and the cloth fibers around the margins of the hole were pushed inward at the time I first examined it in the laboratory.

Mr. Specter.

Did any tests conducted on the coat disclose any metallic substance on that area of that hole?

Mr. Frazier.

Yes, sir. I had a spectrographer run an analysis of a portion of the hole which accounts for its being slightly enlarged at the present time. He took a sample of cloth and made an analysis of it. I don't know actually whether I am expected to give the results of his analysis or not.

Mr. Specter.

Yes; would you please, or let me ask you first of all, were those tests run by the Federal Bureau of Investigation in the regular course of its testing procedures?

Mr. Frazier.

Yes, sir; they were.

Mr. Specter.

And have those results been made available to you through the regular recordkeeping procedures of the FBI?

Mr. Frazier.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Specter.

Would you then please tell us what those tests disclose?

Mr. Frazier.

Traces of copper were found around the margins of the hole in the back of the coat, and as a control, a very small section under the collar was taken, and no copper being found there, it was concluded that the copper was foreign to the coat itself.

Mr. Specter.

Have you now described all of the characteristics of that hole, which you consider to be important for the Commission's consideration?

Mr. Frazier.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Specter.

Assuming that those clothes, that jacket, specifically, at this juncture, was worn by President Kennedy, and was in the same condition when that hole was made as it is now, and at the time when you made your examination, do you have a professional opinion as to what caused that hole in the back of the jacket?

Mr. Frazier.

Yes, sir; I would say that it was an entrance hole for a bullet.

Mr. Specter.

And what is the reason for that conclusion, please?

Mr. Frazier.

It has all the physical appearance characteristics which are considered when examining holes, such as its shape, its size, and in particular the fact that the fibers around the margins of the hole were all pushed inward where the cloth was torn by the object which passed through, and the fibers were unraveled as they were pushed inward, which is characteristic of a entrance-type bullet hole.

Mr. Specter.

Is the presence of the metallic substance relevant in your conclusion that it was a bullet hole?

Mr. Frazier.

Not necessarily. It is a factor which corroborates that opinion