Mr. Frazier.

but even without it, it would still have been my opinion that it was a bullet entrance hole.

Mr. Specter.

Can you tell the size of the bullet from. the hole in the jacket?

Mr. Frazier.

The hole in the jacket is approximately a quarter of an inch in diameter.

Mr. Specter.

Would that hole be consistent with a hole which would be caused by a 6.5 millimeter bullet?

Mr. Frazier.

Yes, sir; the actual bullet which makes a hole cannot be determined because the cloth in one instance may stretch more than it does in another instance causing either a larger or smaller hole even for the same caliber, but it is consistent for a bullet of 6.5 millimeters in diameter to make a hole of approximately this size.

Mr. Specter.

Were there any holes indicative of being bullet holes found on the front part of the President's jacket?

Mr. Frazier.

No, sir.

Mr. Specter.

Did you have further occasion to examine the President's shirt?

Mr. Frazier.

I did.

Mr. Specter.

May the record show that the shirt has heretofore been identified as Commission Exhibit 394?

The Chairman.

Yes; it may be.

Mr. Specter.

What, if anything, did you observe then on the back side of the shirt Mr. Frazier?

Mr. Frazier.

I found on the back of the shirt a hole, 5 3/4 inches below the top of the collar, and as you look at the back of the shirt 1 1/8 inch to the right of the midline of the shirt, which is this hole I am indicating.

Mr. Specter.

May the record show the witness is examining the shirt, as he has the coat, to indicate the hole to the Commission.

The Chairman.

The record may show that.

Mr. Frazier.

In connection with this hole, I made the same examination as I did on the coat, Exhibit 393. I found the same situation to prevail, that is the hole was approximately circular in shape, about one-fourth inch in diameter, and again the physical shape of it is characteristic of a bullet hole, that is the edges are frayed, and there are slight radial tears in the cloth, which is characteristic of a bullet having passed through the cloth, and further, the fibers around the margin of the hole were--had been pressed inward, and assuming that, when I first examined the shirt it was in the same condition as it was at the time the hole was made, it is my opinion that this hole, in addition, was caused by a bullet entering the shirt from the back at that point.

Mr. Specter.

Is that hole consistent with having been caused by a 6.5 millimeter bullet?

Mr. Frazier.

Yes; it is.

Mr. Specter.

With respect to the front side of the shirt, what, if any, hole did you find there?

Mr. Frazier.

Only one hole.

Mr. Dulles.

May I ask one question there?

Mr. Frazier.

Yes; certainly.

Mr. Dulles.

Is the hole in the shirt and the hole in the coat you have just described in a position that indicates that the same instrument, whatever it was, or the same bullet made the two?

Mr. Frazier.

Yes; they are. They are both--the coat hole is 5 3/8 inches below the top of the collar. The shirt hole is 5 3/4 inches, which could be accounted for by a portion of the collar sticking up above the coat about a half inch.

Mr. Dulles.

I see.

Mr. Frazier.

And they are both located approximately the same distance to the right of the midline of both garments.
Now, on the front of the shirt, I found what amounts to one hole. Actually, it is a hole through both the button line of the shirt and the buttonhole line which overlap down the front of the shirt when it is buttoned.

Mr. Specter.

Proceed.

Mr. Frazier.

This hole is located immediately below the button being centered seven-eights of an inch below the button on the shirt, and similarly seven-eighths of an inch below the buttonhole on the opposite side.