Mr. Mccloy.

Was he actually less truculent than he had been before?

Mr. Fain.

Yes; he had actually settled down. He had gotten a job at Leslie Machine Shop, and he wasn't as tense. He seemed to talk more freely with us.

Mr. Mccloy.

He indicated that he had been or his wife had been in constant communication with the Soviet Embassy here?

Mr. Fain.

Well, he told me on the previous interview that he would have to get in touch with the Russian Embassy and let them know that his wife was in this country, and to let them know his address, and I asked him if he had done that, and he said he had in this second interview. He said he would have to contact them. The way he termed it, his phraseology was, that the Soviet law was that a person in her position coming over here, a citizen from Russia, must notify the Soviet Embassy of her current address, and he said that should be done periodically.

Mr. Stern.

Did you discuss his discharge from the Marine Corps?

Mr. Fain.

We actually went over substantially everything we had asked him before.

Mr. Stern.

Did he seem concerned about that?

Mr. Fain.

The fact that he had been given the unfavorable discharge? I believe now, I don't recall just exactly whether I asked him right at that time whether there had been any disposition of that, and maybe I did.

Mr. Stern.

The third paragraph on page 4 refers to that, and I just wondered if you could say more about it.

Mr. Fain.

Yes; he just advised about the matter of having been given an undesirable discharge had not been reviewed. We did ask him that because he brought it up and mentioned it before.

Mr. Stern.

Did he seem----

Mr. Fain.

He didn't know when it would be heard at that time. He said he didn't know when it would be heard.

Mr. Stern.

Did he seem angry about it, the status?

Mr. Fain.

No; just answered it and didn't seem ruffled.

Mr. Stern.

At any point in the course of the interview did he display anger or irritation?

Mr. Fain.

The only point he did, was when we asked him again why he went to the Soviet Union in the first place, and I didn't like his answer there. That is set out on the bottom of page 5. He still declined to answer questions as to why he went to the Soviet Union in the first instance. He said he considered it nobody's business why he wanted to go to the Soviet Union. Finally he stated he went over to Russia for his own personal reasons. He said it was a personal matter to him. He said, "I went and I came back." He said, "It was something that I did." So he just bowed his neck and apparently wasn't going to toll anything further at all on that point.

Mr. Dulles.

Could I ask a question? On the bottom of the earlier page, page 1, where it stated that Oswald was interviewed when he first arrived at the Soviet Union, and he stated he was interviewed when he was about to leave by representatives of the MVD, he was quite clear about the MVD and not the KGB?

Mr. Fain.

That is right; he indicated the MVD.

Mr. Dulles.

And he clearly said MVD?

Mr. Fain.

Yes, sir; he described it as being--handling criminal matters among the population generally, is the way he described it.

Mr. Dulles.

That might be. That is really the Ministry of the Interior, and the KGB is the secret security services, which has been sometimes controlling and sometimes has been under the Ministry of the Interior.

Mr. Fain.

Yes, sir; he indicated to us just the ordinary way. In other words, I gathered from him that the police interviewed him when he came in, and also he said the police interviewed him when he left. But he said he made no deals with them or with any intelligence agents of the Soviet system.

Representative Ford.

On page 2, Mr. Fain, are written two words. One is "Texas," is that, and another is "Noloc."

Mr. Fain.

I have no knowledge of who put that on or how that came there. I guess that looks like maybe "Texas" up there at the top.