Mr. Dulles.

Could I ask, did she seem to know him at all well?

Mr. Fain.

No; she didn't, she hadn't met them, but she just said some people had moved in, and that was enough for me. Robert had told me, had indicated pretty much where it was, and the fact is he gave me pretty good directions as to where to go. As a matter of fact, he had been down there himself in the apartment apparently, but he just didn't have the house number.

Mr. Stern.

What did you do after you located the house, Mr. Fain?

Mr. Fain.

After I located the house on the 15th, and I made arrangement to have another agent and I go out there and reinterview him. I didn't want to go to his house. I didn't want to contact his wife. I knew from the background we had conducted that she could not speak English. She could speak Russian only, and I didn't know any Russian so it wouldn't have been any point in my contacting her and upsetting her.
So this agent and I in an automobile took up a surveillance at the end of the street out of sight of the house and away from the house, and waited until he came from work.
We observed him toward the end of the day, and I suppose it must have been around 5:30, something like that, in the late afternoon, walking down the street, and we then moved up in front of his house.
Of course, I knew him and he knew me from a previous interview, and I spoke to him, "Hi, Lee. How are you?" I said, "Would you mind talking with us just a few minutes?" So he got in the back seat. I remained in the front seat. Arnold J. Brown, the other agent, was in the back seat with him, talked with him there, and the results of the interview are set out here on page 4.

Mr. Stern.

Was it your normal practice to conduct an interview in teams?

Mr. Fain.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Stern.

This interview you conducted with Agent Brown, and your previous interview you conducted with Agent Carter, I believe?

Mr. Fain.

Yes, sir; Agent Carter was with me on the first one, and Arnold Brown was on the second one.

Mr. Stern.

Why is that, Mr. Fain?

Mr. Fain.

Well, in case something comes up in these important interview cases which might have some evidentiary value, we like to have two agents present.

Mr. Stern.

Is your general rule always to have two agents when you interview any subject?

Mr. Fain.

Subject, particularly if it is something other than routine; yes, sir.

Mr. Stern.

This, as far as you were concerned, was something other than routine?

Mr. Fain.

In internal security cases, in a case of this magnitude and this importance, we would always have two agents present.

Mr. Stern.

When you say a case of this magnitude and a case of -this importance, what do you have in mind?

Mr. Fain.

Well, this man had been to Russia, and we wanted to try to find out whether he had been recruited by the Russians to do a job against the United States.

Mr. Stern.

So this, in relation to your other cases, was an important case?

Mr. Fain.

It was important.

Mr. Dulles.

Do you often conduct interviews in a car or was this rather unusual?

Mr. Fain.

We felt that in this case we could get his cooperation better if we could show to him that we weren't trying to embarrass him. I explained to him that afternoon, "We didn't contact you at your place of employment; we didn't want to embarrass you before your employer," and didn't want to upset his wife and, therefore, I hadn't bothered his wife, and we just felt if we talked to him there in the car informally, he would better cooperate with us.

Mr. Dulles.

It wasn't because he showed reluctance to have you go in the house or didn't invite you or anything of that kind?

Mr. Fain.

Oh, no; no. Actually he invited us in when we stopped him. He said, "Won't you come in the house?" And I said, "Well, we will just talk here. We will be alone to ourselves and we will be informal, and just fine." So he got in the car with Agent Brown.