Representative Ford.

Would the second be "no location." Is that an abbreviation for that?

Mr. Fain.

That probably. has reference to somebody's notation. It may have been on the desk over there; no location for the uncle, no city stated for his location.

Representative Ford.

Would that be something added by someone other than yourself?

Mr. Fain.

Yes, sir; I did not make that notation. I have no knowledge as to who did. It was made in Dallas.

Mr. Stern.

Mr. Fain, apart from the question of why he went to the Soviet Union in the first place, was he reluctant to answer any other questions that you put to him?

Mr. Fain.

As I recall it, he answered the other questions fairly readily and he appeared to be a lot more relaxed than he was the first time.

Mr. Stern.

Throughout the interview?

Mr. Fain.

With the exception of this, he kind of bowed up there, and said it was a personal matter as to why he went over there. He said he came and he went back. Just a little bit insolent. He said it was nobody's business.

Mr. Stern.

How long did this interview last, Mr. Fain?

Mr. Fain.

I don't recall exactly, but I expect we talked to him about an hour, maybe an hour and 15 minutes, something like that.

Mr. Stern.

How does that compare with the length of time of your first interview with him in your office?

Mr. Fain.

As I recall, the first interview, and again I don't recall it exactly but I was of the opinion we talked to him for maybe an hour and a half, and maybe 2 hours. It was close to 2 hours because we couldn't cover all the questions in a lesser period of time. We approached the things in different ways and from different angles, and to see if he wouldn't give us the information.

Mr. Stern.

Would you read over these three pages of your memorandum of the interview, pages 4, 5, and 6 of the report, and see if there is anything you would like to add or clarify, any detail that occurs to you now that you didn't cover there, any flavor or color of the interview that you wouldn't ordinarily. put in your report that you can tell us about?

Mr. Fain.

All right, sir; it is in there. It is indicated in the last paragraph.

Mr. Stern.

On what page?

Mr. Fain.

Page 6. Really there is no point in repeating, but he did play down during the entire interview--he seemed to be just a little bit derisive of our questions, and hesitated to bring out whether or not the Soviet intelligence officials might have been interested in him or might have contacted him, and he downgraded or played that down. He just didn't think he was that important; in other words, that they would want to contact him.

Mr. Dulles.

How was he on that point, was he strong on that point, did he press that point?

Mr. Fain.

No; there wasn't anything remarkable about that different from the other. He saw no reason why the Soviets would want to contact him. He didn't feel like he was of any importance to them. He said that he would cooperate with us and report to us any information that would come to his attention.

Mr. Dulles.

On the bottom of---excuse me.

Mr. Fain.

That is all right; I was through.

Mr. Dulles.

On the bottom of page 1 of your report, page 4 of the exhibit, it is indicated that this report was made by Special Agent Arnold J. Brown and by you. Do you recall who dictated the report?

Mr. Fain.

I did.

Mr. Dulles.

And was it concurred in by Special Agent Arnold J. Brown?

Mr. Fain.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Dulles.

He saw it?

Mr. Fain.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Dulles.

He concurred in it?

Mr. Fain.

Yes, sir; he saw the dictated, the finished document and initialed it.