Mr. Fritz.

talks with him he had talked to him about Governor Connally, and about some letters but that information I don't have. That is something Mr. Hosty will have to tell you about.

Mr. Ball.

Your notes show at 11:33 he went back to the jail and about an hour later at 12:35 he was brought back.

Mr. Fritz.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

In your office for another interview.

Mr. Fritz.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

In which Mr. Kelley of the Secret Service was present?

Mr. Fritz.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Dulles.

Are we now on Saturday noon?

Mr. Ball.

Yes, sir; this is noon about 12:35.

Mr. Fritz.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

In the meantime your officers had brought back from Irving some pictures that they found in the garage, hadn't they?

Mr. Fritz.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

And you had had them blown up, hadn't you?

Mr. Fritz.

That is right.

Mr. Ball.

What pictures--and you showed Oswald a picture at this time?

Mr. Fritz.

A picture of him holding a rifle and wearing the pistol. It showed a picture of him holding a rifle and wearing the pistol. I showed him first an enlarged picture.

Mr. Ball.

I will show you Commission Exhibit No. 135.

Mr. Fritz.

That is the picture.

Mr. Ball.

That is the picture you showed him?

Mr. Fritz.

Yes, sir; that is a similar picture, that is a copy of the picture I showed him.

Mr. Ball.

You had had your laboratory enlarge the picture that your men had brought back from Irving?

Mr. Fritz.

Yes, sir; he said that wasn't his picture, he said, "I have been through that whole deal with all people in the cameras," he said, "One has taken my picture and that is my face and put a different body on it." He said, I know all about photography, I worked with photography for a long time. That is a picture that someone else has made. I never saw that picture in my life."
I said, "Wait just a minute, and I will show you one you have seen probably," and I showed him the little one this one was made from and when I showed him the little one he said, "I never have seen that picture, either." He said, "That is a picture that has been reduced from the big one."

Mr. Ball.

I Show you Commission No. 133, is that the small picture?

Mr. Fritz.

The small picture; yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

A picture Of the small picture?

Mr. Fritz.

A picture of the small picture, I guess this is.

Mr. Ball.

There are two pictures on 133. Which one was it?

Mr. Fritz.

On the left.

Mr. Ball.

The one on the left?

Mr. Fritz.

Yes, sir; the one holding the two papers.

Mr. Belin.

As you face the picture?

Mr. Ball.

As you face the picture the one on the left? [Exhibit No. 133-A.]

Mr. Fritz.

There is a lot of questioning in our mind about the time of this middle day questioning here. We checked it over and over and we can't be sure about the time and I don't want to go on record as not knowing whether this time is correct because it might not be.

Mr. Ball.

You mean 12:35?

Mr. Fritz.

12:35.

Mr. Ball.

But you do know this conversation----

Mr. Fritz.

I do know we talked to him a number of times all along, and these questions and answers are right, but the times may be off.

Mr. Ball.

You did show him this picture, a picture of Oswald with a rifle and pistol?

Mr. Fritz.

I showed him that at one of those interviews, yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

And he denied that that was a picture of him.