Mr. Fritz.

That is true; yes, sir; that is right.

Mr. Ball.

There was another showup that afternoon at 2:15?

Mr. Fritz.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

At which time two cabdrivers, one named Scoggins and one named Whaley were shown Oswald. Were you present at that showup?

Mr. Fritz.

I don't think so. I will look and see right quickly but I don't think I was: That would have been on the 23d.

Mr. Ball.

Yes.

Mr. Fritz.

That shows him--M. G. Hall--wait a minute, I am in the wrong one, pardon me. Showup No. 4, shows Officers V. S. Hinkel, Walter Ports, M. G. Hall, C. W. Brown, and J. R. Leavelle who was with the people handling the showup.

Mr. Ball.

Your records also show that you were brought--he was brought to your office again at 6 o'clock?

Mr. Fritz.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Will you look at page 138B of your notes. (Commission Document 81B) Was that the time you talked to him about the rifle?

Mr. Fritz.

6 o'clock?

Mr. Ball.

Yes.

Mr. Fritz.

That is when I showed an enlarged picture, yes, sir, that is what I show here, yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

In the meantime you had gone out to Neely Street, hadn't you, to try to determine whether or not this was the place for the rifle?

Mr. Fritz.

No, sir; we didn't find that out until some time later.

Mr. Ball.

You didn't?

Mr. Fritz.

No, sir; we had heard of the Neely Street address but we didn't know that that was the place where the picture was taken. But later on, Mr. Sorrels and some of the Secret Service men called me and they had found out, I believe from Marina, that that is where the picture was made and they called me and asked me to go with them and we made some other pictures out there to show the place.

Mr. Ball.

On this evening at 6 o'clock who was present at the questioning?

Mr. Fritz.

At the questioning, just a minute.

Mr. Dulles.

What is the reference to the Marines?

Mr. Ball.

Marina.

Mr. Dulles.

Marina, I didn't catch it.

Mr. Ball.

Who was present at that, do you remember, on 6 o'clock on Saturday evening, the 23d? See page 138B.

Mr. Fritz.

Yes, sir; I believe Mr. Bookhout, Inspector Kelley, myself, and officers.

Mr. Mccloy.

This was an interrogation?

Mr. Fritz.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

Was that the time when he told you, someone superimposed the picture on his face?

Mr. Fritz.

Yes, sir; that is right.

Mr. Ball.

After he had talked to you a while he told you he didn't want to talk to you any more, didn't he?

Mr. Fritz.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Look on the second page, 138C, and tell me what happened. Give me in your own words what occurred there.

Mr. Fritz.

You. mean about the picture?

Mr. Ball.

Tell me in your own words, yes.

Mr. Fritz.

Yes, sir; at that time he told me that--the first of the page up here is when he told me he didn't want to answer more questions. "I just told you about that but you want to know something else about this other party."

Mr. Ball.

You talked to him sometime later.

Mr. Fritz.

Yes, sir; I showed him this map, showed him a map of the city of Dallas that he had, and the-map had been brought in from his address on North Beckley, and he told me that those markings, they had several markings on this map, one of them was near----

Mr. Ball.

Wait a minute, isn't that the next morning? We are talking