Mr. Fritz.

Yes, sir; there probably was because I talked to him about a lawyer a number of times and he said he didn't want the local attorneys, some attorney had been up to see him after one of these questionings, and he said he didn't want him at all. He wanted Mr. Abt. And he couldn't get him and I told you about the ones there in the American Civil Liberties Union.

Mr. Ball.

Didn't he tell you at one time he didn't want to answer any questions until he talked to his lawyer?

Mr. Fritz.

Yes, sir; he told me that two or three times.

Mr. Ball.

This morning he told you that, didn't he?

Mr. Fritz.

He probably did.

Mr. Ball.

Look on your notes there on the page 137D and see whether or not that refreshes your memory? (Commission Document 81B.)

Mr. Fritz.

137G?

Mr. Ball.

137D.

Mr. Fritz.

I told him---you know he had told me he could not use the telephone because he didn't have the money to pay for a call. I told him he could call collect from the jail to call anyone he wanted to, and I believe at that time he probably thanked me for that.
But I told him that we allowed all prisoners to do that.

Mr. Ball.

Did he say he didn't have money enough?

Mr. Fritz.

He told me that but as I said I told him he didn't need the money, he could call him collect, and use the jail phone, telephone.

Mr. Ball.

What did he say?

Mr. Fritz.

That seemed to please him all right, because he evidently did because the next time I saw him he thanked me for letting him use the phone, but I told him it wasn't a favor; everyone could do that.

Mr. Dulles.

Do you know who he called?

Mr. Fritz.

I don't know, I wasn't there.

Mr. Dulles.

Is there any record?

Mr. Fritz.

I don't believe there would be. I think you give him the use of the telephone and they could call when they wanted to. He could have called half a dozen people if he wanted to.

Mr. Dulles.

He couldn't make a long distance call, could he? I suppose he could if he called collect.

Mr. Fritz.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

Was Mr. Kelley of the Secret Service present at this time, this morning?

Mr. Fritz.

He was there most of the time after the 22d. He wasn't there on the 22d.

Mr. Ball.

This is the morning of the 23d we are talking about.

Mr. Fritz.

Yes, sir; he was there, yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Did you ever ask him what he thought of President Kennedy or his family?

Mr. Fritz.

Yes, sir; I asked him what he thought of the President.

Mr. Ball.

What did he say?

Mr. Fritz.

What he thought about the family--he said he didn't have any particular comment to make about the President.
He said he had a nice family, that he admired his family, something to that effect. At one time, I don't have this in my report, but at one time I told him, I said, "You know you have killed the President, and this is a very serious charge."
He denied it and said he hadn't killed the President.
I said he had been killed. He said people will forget that within a few days and there would be another President.

Mr. Dulles.

Did he say anything about Governor Connally?

Mr. Fritz.

No, sir; I don't think I questioned him about the Governor at that time. I might have asked him at one time. I remember telling him at one time he shot the Governor.

Mr. Dulles.

Will you give us that?

Mr. Fritz.

He denied shooting any of them.

Mr. Dulles.

Did he express any antipathy for or friendship for----

Mr. Fritz.

No, sir; he didn't. He didn't express--during one of Mr. Hosty's