Mrs. Paine.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

What was the size of the package in length and width if you can remember at the time you wrapped it?

Mrs. Paine.

I suppose about like this, not closed but just wrapping paper folded over.

Mr. Jenner.

Would you hold your hands there please.

Mrs. Paine.

Yes. But by no means a neat package, just enough to keep the dust off.

Mr. Liebeler.

Thirty-two and a half inches.
Senator COOPER. What was the width of the package?

Mrs. Paine.

Like so.
Senator COOPER. That you wrapped?

Mrs. Paine.

Now I am not certain. I am really thinking now of the package with the venetian blind.- I don't recall exactly the package with the rods, whether they were included in this other or whether they warranted a package of their own.

Mr. Liebeler.

The witness indicated a width of approximately 7 1/2 inches.
Senator COOPER. I will ask one other question. The ends of the rod which are at right angles to the long surface, how long? What is their approximate size?

Mrs. Paine.

Two and a half inches to three inches.
Senator COOPER. What?

Mrs. Paine.

Two and a half to three inches.
Senator COOPER. All right, go ahead.

Mr. Jenner.

Anyone entering your home from the outside walking up your driveway and looking in the windows, would they see anybody sitting on the sofa you have described?

Mrs. Paine.

No.

Mr. Jenner.

Do you sit on the sofa to look at your television set?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

Would you take the ground floor plan that is before you and indicate--

Mrs. Paine.

Do you want me to draw in the sofa and the television set?

Mr. Jenner.

No; I just want you to put an "X" as to where the sofa is, and put a double "X" as to where the television set is. Now the opening that appears to the left of the double "X," is that a window or a door?

Mrs. Paine.

That is the front door.

Mr. Jenner.

And is there any window in that wall, in the living room wall.

Mrs. Paine.

Practically the rest of the wall is window,.

Mr. Jenner.

And on this drawing it appears as a solid wall?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

The fact is that is a picture window?

Mrs. Paine.

That is right. It is just your printing filled in. It is exactly like this. There it is.

Mr. Jenner.

Turning to Commission Exhibit 431, the picture window is shown there, is it not?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

Now it would be possible, would it not, if someone walked along the sidewalk and was intent on peering in to see if anyone is there, to see somebody sitting at the sofa looking at the television set?

Mrs. Paine.

Oh, yes.
(Discussion off the record. )

Mr. Mccloy.

I am very anxious to hear your story before we leave.

Senator Cooper.

I can stay here while the details are filled in.

Mr. Jenner.

The police arrived and what occurred.

Mrs. Paine.

I went to the door. They announced themselves as from both the sheriff's office and the Dallas Police Office, showed me at least one package or two. I was very surprised.

Mr. Jenner.

Did you say anything?

Mrs. Paine.

I said nothing. I think I just dropped my jaw. And the man in front said by way of explanation "We have Lee Oswald in custody. He is charged with shooting an officer." This is the first I had any idea that Lee