Mr. Frazier.

No, I cannot.

Mr. Eisenberg.

Not at all?

Mr. Frazier.

No. I do not have the figure on the core weight.

Mr. Eisenberg.

In your opinion, is it possible that if you did make such an estimate, the weight, the projected weight of 569 plus the actual weight of 567 would exceed the bullet weight of the 6.5 mm. bullet

Mr. Frazier.

Oh. no; it would not.

Mr. Eisenberg.

It would not?

Mr. Frazier.

It would not come even close to it, because the amount of core is only--one-quarter inch of the bullet is all that remains at the base, and that much core would not weigh more than 40 grains at the most.

Mr. Eisenberg.

No cannelure shows on 567, is that correct?

Mr. Frazier.

That is correct.

Mr. Eisenberg.

Mr. Frazier, did you make a comparison photograph of 569 with a test bullet?

Mr. Frazier.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Eisenberg.

This photograph is marked C-14 on the left and C--3 on the right; is that correct?

Mr. Frazier.

Yes, it is.

Mr. Eisenberg.

C-14 being the test?

Mr. Frazier.

Yes, from the rifle 139, and C-3 is Exhibit 569.

Mr. Eisenberg.

And the magnification on this photograph is what, Mr. Frazier?

Mr. Frazier.

70 diameters.

Mr. Eisenberg.

And this was taken by you or under your supervision?

Mr. Frazier.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Eisenberg.

Mr. Chairman, may I have this admitted?

Mr. Mccloy.

It may be admitted.

Mr. Eisenberg.

570.
(The item was identified as Commission Exhibit No. 570 and was received in evidence.)

Mr. Eisenberg.

Can you discuss this picture?

Mr. Frazier.

Commission Exhibit 570 shows a portion of the test bullet from Exhibit 139 on the left side of the photograph, and a portion of the bullet 569 on the right side, divided by a hairline.
The photograph was taken of the microscopic marks, examined through the comparison microscope, consisting of very fine and very coarse grooves, or scratches, or ridges, on the surface of each of the bullets as compared with those on the other bullet.
The photograph did not, of course, enter into the conclusion reached in the examination, but was merely taken to demonstrate, to illustrate the types of marks present insofar as a photograph can show them.

Mr. Eisenberg.

Mr. Frazier, what portion of the Exhibit 569 was unmutilated enough to allow you to make a comparison of its markings?

Mr. Frazier.

Approximately one-third. Actually, the entire base section of the bullet was present, but approximately one-half of that base was mutilated. On the mutilated area, either marks were destroyed completely by striking some object, or being compressed or stretched, or they were thrown out of relationship with each other by stretching or compressing to the extent that they were of no value.
So I would estimate approximately one-third of the area was present.

Mr. Eisenberg.

Now, when you say one-third, is this total area or circumference?

Mr. Frazier.

Circumference, one-third of the circumference.

Mr. Eisenberg.

Do you have any further pictures of any of the bullets, Mr. Frazier?

Mr. Frazier.

No, I do not.

Mr. Eisenberg.

Mr. Frazier, I hand you two bullets and ask whether you are familiar with them.