Mr. Frazier.

Yes, I am. These are the two test bullets which I fired from this rifle, Exhibit 139.

Mr. Eisenberg.

Do they have your mark on them?

Mr. Frazier.

Yes, they do.

Mr. Eisenberg.

Mr. Chairman, may I have these admitted as Exhibit 572?

Mr. Mccloy.

They may be admitted.
(The document referred to was marked Commission Exhibit No. 572, and received in evidence.)

Mr. Eisenberg.

Getting back to the two bullet fragments mentioned, Mr. Frazier, did you alter them in any way after they had been received in the laboratory, by way of cleaning or otherwise?

Mr. Frazier.

No, sir; there was a very slight residue of blood or some other material adhering, but it did not interfere with the examination. It was wiped off to clean up the bullet for examination, but it actually would not have been necessary.

Mr. Eisenberg.

Is that true on both fragments?

Mr. Frazier.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Eisenberg.

You also mentioned there was blood or some other substance on the bullet marked 399. Is this an off-hand determination, or was there a test to determine what the substance was?

Mr. Frazier.

No, there was no test made of the materials.

Mr. Eisenberg.

As you examined the bullet and the two bullet fragments, are they in the same condition now as they were when they entered your hands?

Mr. Frazier.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Eisenberg.

One other question on the cartridge cases.
Did you examine the cartridge cases for chambering marks, extraction marks, or ejection marks?

Mr. Frazier.

Yes, I did, but I did not make any comparisons of either extractor or ejector marks or chambering marks, since the purpose of my examination was primarily to determine whether they were fired in this rifle, and such marks would not have assisted in that determination. They were not necessary because they would have indicated only that it may have been loaded into and extracted from the weapon, whereas the marks which I found served to identify it as having been fired in the weapon, actually.

Mr. Eisenberg.

Mr. Chairman, unless you have further questions on the cartridge cases or bullets, I would like to move on to another subject.

Mr. Mccloy.

From your examination of the actual bullets that you have been told were fired on the day of the assassination from this rifle, and from your--how many separate bullets do you identify?

Mr. Frazier.

Two, at the maximum--possibly three, if these two jacket fragments came from different bullets. If they came from one bullet, then there would be a maximum of the whole bullet 399 and this bullet in two parts.

Mr. Mccloy.

And you cannot tell whether these two particles came from one bullet or two separate ones?

Mr. Frazier.

No, sir.

Mr. Eisenberg.

When you say "two at the maximum," do you mean two at the minimum?

Mr. Frazier.

I meant at least two bullets.

Mr. Mccloy.

There were at least two different bullets?

Mr. Frazier.

At least two, yes.

Mr. Eisenberg.

Mr. Frazier, can you give an estimate of the total number of bullets fired in the various tests made with this rifle?

Mr. Frazier.

Approximately 60 rounds.

Mr. Eisenberg.

And were all of these rounds 6.5 mm. Western Mannlicher-Carcano ammunition?

Mr. Frazier.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Eisenberg.

Did you have any misfires?

Mr. Frazier.

No, sir.

Mr. Eisenberg.

Did you find the ammunition dependable?

Mr. Frazier.

Very dependable.

Mr. Eisenberg.

Can you think of any reason why someone might think this is an undependable type of ammunition?