Mr. Scoggins.

some bushes, and I looked up and seen him going south on Patton and then when I jumped back in my cab I called my dispatcher.

Mr. Belin.

Why did you jump out of your cab first when you heard the shots?

Mr. Scoggins.

Because anytime that there is anything going on that is one thing the cab driver wants to do is to get away from that cab, because the man is going to try--if he had ever seen the cab, he looked back over his left shoulder, and I don't think he even seen the cab-he would have probably jumped in the cab and had me take him somewhere or maybe shot me, too, you know, and I didn't want to be around the cab at anytime while he was in the neighborhood, you know, when there was anything like that going on, or anything, robbery, or anything.

Mr. Belin.

I believe you said you saw the officer fall. Did you see where he fell?

Mr. Scoggins.

Yes; he fell right by the side of the front, about, a little bit forward of the door, right about the door.

Mr. Belin.

Did you ever later go up and view the officer?

Mr. Scoggins.

Yes. I went up there, but by the time I got up there the ambulance had already got there. You see I got my dispatcher and was telling him about it, just by that time the ambulance got there.

Mr. Belin.

Did you notice anything in the street to indicate where the officer fell?

Mr. Scoggins.

There was blood there, of course. They picked the man up by the time I got there, the ambulance did.

Mr. Dulles.

Could I ask one question? You were in touch with your dispatcher over your radio contact?

Mr. Scoggins.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Dulles.

What did you tell your dispatcher?

Mr. Scoggins.

I told him there had been a policeman shot at 10th and Patton, and you see they have a number of cars they are talking to, you know, and I had to holler about three or four times before I got his attention, and then I seen I wasn't going to get through to him, so I just hollered there had been a policeman shot at 10th and Patton, and then they went to talking to me then.

Mr. Dulles.

What did they say to you then?

Mr. Scoggins.

The first thing they says is do they need an ambulance, and I says, "Sure." And they wanted to know the exact location, and I said right off east of 10th and Patton, and the ambulance was only a block and a quarter or so from the scene, you see, and they just come on right around there.

Mr. Dulles.

And this conversation took you a minute or two, would you estimate?

Mr. Scoggins.

Yes, a couple of minutes, I would say. It was pretty close.

Mr. Belin.

Mr. Scoggins, handing you what the Commission reporter has marked, or what has been marked as Commission Exhibit 527, I ask you to state if this substance on the street here appears to be anything you had ever seen before.

Mr. Scoggins.

Yes; that appears to be the officer's blood, blood from the officer.

Mr. Belin.

Is that located in approximate location to this car in the same relative position that you saw the blood when you were there, or is it any different, if you know?

Mr. Scoggins.

I was kind of excited there, a little bit, and I could be mistaken, but I was thinking he was a little bit closer to the car than that.

Mr. Belin.

You thought he was a little bit closer to the car than that?

Mr. Scoggins.

Yes. I thought he was, but I could be mistaken.

Mr. Belin.

Handing you what has been marked Commission Exhibit 529, which shows a picture of a car and appears to be some kind of a stain in the street, does that look to you any closer to the car than Exhibit 527, or does that look to be about the same place?

Mr. Scoggins.

It looks to be about the same place as that one there does.

Mr. Belin.

All right. You thought it was a little bit closer to the front?

Mr. Scoggins.

All right. I thought it was.

Mr. Belin.

Did the officer fall, did he fall forward or backward in any way?

Mr. Scoggins.

He fell forward.