Mr. Scoggins.

Yes; he went right down the street. He come from the west,
going east On east Tenth.

Mr. Belin.

Then what did you see?

Mr. Scoggins.

I noticed he stopped down there, and I wasn't paying too much attention to the man, you see, just used to see him every day, but then I kind of looked down the street, saw this, someone, that looked to me like he was going west, now, I couldn't exactly say whether he was going west or was in the process of turning around, but he was facing west when I saw him.

Mr. Belin.

All right.

Mr. Scoggins.

And he was--he stopped there.

Mr. Belin.

Let me ask you this now. When you first saw this man, had the police car stopped or not?

Mr. Scoggins.

Yes; he stopped. When I saw he stopped, then I looked to see why he was stopping, you see, and I saw this man with a light-colored jacket on.

Mr. Belin.

Now, you saw a man with a light-colored jacket. With relation to the police car, was the man east of the police car, west of the police car, or kind of

Mr. Scoggins.

Just a little east is the best I can remember.

Mr. Belin.

He was a little bit east of the police car?

Mr. Scoggins.

Yes; he was just a little bit forward. The police car headed east and he was a little bit, maybe not more than the front end of the car.

Mr. Belin.

You thought the man was at the front end of the car?

Mr. Scoggins.

Yes; approximately.

Mr. Belin.

But by that you mean the front wheel or front bumper area?

Mr. Scoggins.

Yes.

Mr. Belin.

Was he on the sidewalk?

Mr. Scoggins.

At the time I saw him; yes.

Mr. Belin.

When you first saw him, I believe you said you saw the man's face, or did you not say that?

Mr. Scoggins.

I couldn't see the man's face from there. I saw the face when he passed the cab.

Mr. Belin.

What led you to believe that he was walking west?

Mr. Scoggins.

Well, he was facing west.

Mr. Belin.

You mean he was facing west when you first saw him?

Mr. Scoggins.

Yes; he was kind of facing that way.

Mr. Belin.

Was it due west the way the sidewalk was, or was it--

Mr. Scoggins.

Yes; west in relation to the sidewalk.

Mr. Belin.

All right Then what did you see the man do?

Mr. Scoggins.

I saw him turn facing the street, and then I didn't see him any more after that because he went behind some shrubbery.

Mr. Belin.

Did you see the police officer do anything?

Mr. Scoggins.

I saw him get out of the police car.

Mr. Belin.

Did you see what side he went out of?

Mr. Scoggins.

He got out of the driver's side, left-hand side.

Mr. Belin.

Then what did you see happen?

Mr. Scoggins.

Then he took about a step, I would say, or approximately one or two steps, and then I wasn't really--you know--I went back to my eating, and about that time I heard the shots.

Mr. Belin.

How many shots did you hear?

Mr. Scoggins.

Three or four, in the neighborhood. They was fast.

Mr. Belin.

They were fast shots?

Mr. Scoggins.

Yes; they were fast.

Mr. Belin.

Then what did you do or say or hear?

Mr. Scoggins.

Then I saw the man falling, grab his stomach and fall.

Mr. Belin.

Which man did you see fall?

Mr. Scoggins.

The policeman. I was excited when I heard them shots, and I started to get out-- since we went back over there the other day and reenacted that scene, I must have seen him fall as I was getting out of my cab, because I got out of the cab, and in the process of getting out of the cab I seen this guy coming around, so I got out of sight. I started to cross the street, but I seen I didn't have enough time to cross the street before he got down there, so I got back behind the cab, and as he cut across that yard I heard him running into