(Testimony of William W. Scoggins)
Mr. Belin.
He fell forward?
Mr. Scoggins.
Yes.
Mr. Belin.
Do you remember where his head was lying as he fell forward, if you know?
Mr. Scoggins.
I wouldn't be sure about that. He kind of fell in a crumpled manner, I would say.
Mr. Belin.
When you saw the officer fall, when was the next place that you saw the man, or did you see him at the same time you saw the officer fall, the other man?
Mr. Scoggins.
No, I saw him coming kind of toward me around that cutoff through there, and he never did look at me. He looked back over his left shoulder like that, as he went by. It seemed like I could see his face, his features and everything plain, you see.
Mr. Belin.
Was he walking or running or trotting?
Mr. Scoggins.
Kind of loping, trotting.
Mr. Belin.
Kind of loping or trotting?
Mr. Scoggins.
Not in too big a hurry. It didn't seem like at first.
Mr. Belin.
At first not too big a hurry?
Mr. Scoggins.
Yes.
Mr. Belin.
Did he change that at all?
Mr. Scoggins.
Never did change his pace as long as I saw him. I don't know where he went after he passed the cab and got down a little piece, because then I was busy trying to get my dispatcher, and I never did look and never did get to see him.
Mr. Belin.
Did he have anything in his hand?
Mr. Scoggins.
He had a pistol in his left hand.
Mr. Belin.
Did the pistol appear to be--did he appear to be doing anything with the pistol or not?
Mr. Scoggins.
Yes. He had it, holding it, in his left hand in a manner that the barrel was up like this, and the stock was down here, curved back in here.
Mr. Belin.
Did it look like the gun had been flipped open at all or not?
Mr. Scoggins.
I wouldn't say.
Mr. Belin.
You don't know?
Mr. Scoggins.
No; I don't.
Mr. Dulles.
You said he had it in his left hand?
Mr. Scoggins.
Yes, sir.
Mr. Belin.
Did you see where his right hand was?
Mr. Scoggins.
He was kind of running, kind of like this, in this manner.
Mr. Belin.
Did you hear the man say anything?
Mr. Scoggins.
I heard him mutter something like, "poor damn cop," or "poor dumb cop." He said that over twice, and the last, I don't know whether the middle word was "damn" or "dumb," but anyway, he muttered that twice.
Mr. Belin.
Did you hear him say any other word or phrase?
Mr. Scoggins.
No.
Mr. Belin.
Did you hear anyone else making any noise at about that time?
Mr. Scoggins.
No; I didn't. Of course, there were people coming up there, around there, but I didn't--I didn't notice any.
Mr. Belin.
Recently in Dallas you were asked to go to the scene of the Tippit shooting to try to reconstruct the positions of the various people at this time; is that correct?
Mr. Scoggins.
Yes, yes; I was over there
Mr. Belin.
And you parked your cab in what spot?
Mr. Scoggins.
There on Patton, facing 10th at approximately the place I thought I was parked at, the reasonable area where I thought I was. I wouldn't say I was exactly on that spot, but within a foot or so.
Mr. Belin.
Does Exhibit 530 appear to be a picture of your cab at that point?
Mr. Scoggins.
Yes, sir.
Mr. Belin.
I also hand you Commission Exhibit 531 and ask you if there is another view of your cab also at that same point?
Mr. Scoggins.
Yes; it appears to be.
Mr. Belin.
You were there when those two pictures were taken?
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