Senator Cooper.

except the man you later identified as Oswald, and Mr. Truly. There were two people sitting down on the first floor.

Mr. Baker.

As I entered that depository building, I was--people were running toward you, I don't know whether they worked there or whether they were just trying to get out of the way.

Mr. Dulles.

From inside the building?

Mr. Baker.

No; from the street in. As I ran in I was pushing them aside and running through them, and some way, Mr. Truly got from my back to my front.
Now, he said he was right behind me. I never did see him until I got in and asked the question of where the stairs was, so evidently whenever I went in the door why he came on in. There were several people coming in as I, you know, came in, there were several in front of me and also around my sides and my back. And it seemed to me like a double door deal.

Senator Cooper.

As you went up on the elevator could you see out of the elevator onto floors?

Mr. Baker.

Yes, sir. The best that I could, that is the reason I wasn't paying too much attention to the elevator I was looking around all those floors.

Senator Cooper.

Did you see anyone?

Mr. Belin.

When you say up on the elevator, he didn't get on the elevator until he had got up on the stairs.

Senator Cooper.

I am aware of that.

Mr. Baker.

I was still looking.

Senator Cooper.

You went up on the second floor by stairs?

Mr. Baker.

Yes, sir.

Senator Cooper.

Then you got on the elevator.

Mr. Belin.

No, sir; he didn't get on the elevator until the fifth floor.

Senator Cooper.

Anyway, as you walked up the stairs could you see into each floor space as you passed from floor to floor?

Mr. Baker.

Partly. Now, this building has got pillars in it, you know, and then it has got books, cases of books stacked all in it. And the best that I could, you know, I would look through there and see if I could see anybody.

Senator Cooper.

Did you see anyone?

Mr. Baker.

No, sir.

Senator Cooper.

When you looked?

Mr. Baker.

Not from the second floor on up.

Senator Cooper.

As you approached the building by motorcycle, did you notice whether anyone was looking out of the windows of the Texas School Book Depository?

Mr. Baker.

Yes, sir. Those windows, I would say a number of them were open and I tell you, to the best of my recollection, I scanned those windows, but I can't recall anybody looking out of them, you know. I looked at all them buildings so much and there were people looking out of every one of them, every doorway and every window, and I really was looking high more at the roof of it than I was anything, and I really didn't see nothing in the windows.

Senator Cooper.

I may be repeating because I missed the first part of his testimony.

Mr. Dulles.

Go ahead.

Senator Cooper.

But when you heard the shot, you said later you saw some pigeons fly up.

Mr. Baker.

Yes, sir.

Senator Cooper.

What was the sequence of time between the time you saw the flight of the pigeons and you heard the shot?

Mr. Baker.

As I got that motorcycle straightened up, and I hadn't gone just a very few feet there, it didn't seem like, you know, I went very far, but it is possible I went, we figured maybe 80, 60 to 80 feet there, and I looked up, as the shots started, I immediately looked up, you know. I was already facing ahead and I just kind of raised, I sighted up, and while I was looking-up, those other two shots came off, and as I come up, I noticed those pigeons start to fly up there, but I really didn't see which, there were so many of them I