Mr. Carr.

Mr. DULLES, Any further questions?

Mr. Carr.

No; thank you, sir.

Mr. Belin.

Did you talk to any of the other officers who were in or about the President's vehicle at the time of the shooting?

Mr. Baker.

Yes, sir; I talked to several of them and all of them had kind
of had the same story, you know. It had to come from above and behind.

Mr. Belin.

When did you talk to these officers, like Officer Martin?

Mr. Baker.

That was--I didn't talk to him until we got back to the city hall, which we got off, we were supposed to get off at 3 o'clock that day, we got off around 4 the same time, they called us all in together.

Mr. Belin.

What other officers did you talk to and what did they say that you remember?

Mr. Baker.

I talked to Jim Chaney, and he made the statement that the two shots hit Kennedy first and then the other one hit the Governor.

Mr. Belin.

Where was he?

Mr. Baker.

He was on the right rear of the car or to the side, and then at that time the chief of police, he didn't know anything about this, and he moved up and told him, and then that was during the time that the Secret Service men were trying to get in the car, and at the time, after the shooting, from the time the first shot rang out, the car stopped completely, pulled to the left and stopped.

Mr. Belin.

The President's car?

Mr. Baker.

Yes, sir. Now, I have heard several of them say that, Mr. Truly was standing out there, he said it stopped. Several officers said it stopped completely.

Mr. Dulles.

You saw it stop, did you?

Mr. Baker.

No, sir; I didn't see it stop.

Mr. Dulles.

You just heard from others that it had stopped?

Mr. Baker.

Yes, sir; that it had completely stopped, and then for a moment there, and then they rushed on out to Parkland.

Mr. Belin.

Officer Baker, did this Officer Chaney say anything else about, for instance, where he thought the source of the shots was?

Mr. Baker.

Not--he knew they came from behind him but he didn't know where. He said from down there they was kind of going down that hill and said that shot, the sound of it, you couldn't tell just exactly where it came from.

Mr. Belin.

How did he know it came from behind then?

Mr. Baker.

Because he was riding from behind, and whenever it hit the President, he said he would see him fall.

Mr. Belin.

Now, you are giving a motion now, did he see him fall backwards first or forwards or when you say fall what do you mean by that?

Mr. Baker.

Well, he just said, when they hit he kind of fell, so I assumed he went to the left of him.

Mr. Belin.

All right.
Did any other officer say anything to you about what he saw or thought what happened?

Mr. Baker.

I talked to several of them but I can't remember exactly, you know, just what their story was.

Mr. Belin.

Was there anyone you talked to who thought the shots-came from the front?

Mr. Baker.

No, sir; not except that the chief of police that is the only one.
Now, that, like I say, that is the last thing I heard over that radio is "Get some men up on that railroad." Now, that could mean they either came from the side, which is due north, or right across in front of him. You know--

Mr. Belin.

Well, apart from the statement you testified to that the chief of police made over the radio about the underpass, was there any policeman or patrolman who was in the motorcade who in any way indicated to you that the shots came from the front?

Mr. Baker.

No, sir.

Senator Cooper.

I would like to ask a couple of questions.
I think you said when you went inside the depository you saw no one