Mr. Baker.

know where, how it happened, and really none of us knew how it happened, it just happened, and where they was at in place, you know, in reference to the car, would be about the only thing they could say, and at the time the first shot they didn't know where the shot came from.
The second shot they still didn't know, and then the third shot some of them over to the left-hand side, the blood and everything hit their helmets and their windshields and then they knew it had to come from behind.

Mr. Belin.

Say this again, Officer Baker. When you say some were on the left-hand side?

Mr. Baker.

Yes, I believe Officer B. J. Martin---

Mr. Belin.

Is he a motorcycle policeman?

Mr. Baker.

Yes, sir; he is.

Mr. Belin.

On a one- or two-wheeler or three-wheeler?

Mr. Baker.

He is a solo motorcycle, two-wheeler.

Mr. Belin.

Where was he riding at this time?

Mr. Baker.

He was on the left front.

Mr. Belin.

Of what?

Mr. Baker.

There were five motorcycle officers in front. There were four, two on each right side behind.

Mr. Belin.

When you say in front and behind of what vehicle?

Mr. Baker.

We are referring to the President's car.

Mr. Belin.

All right. He was on the front and to the left of the President's car.

Mr. Baker.

Yes, sir; that is right.

Mr. Belin.

What did he say to you about blood or something?

Mr. Baker.

Like I say, we were talking about where the shot came from, and he said the first shot he couldn't figure it Out where it came from. He turned his head backward, reflex, you know, and then he turned back and the second shot came off, and then the third shot is when the blood and everything hit his helmet and his windshield.

Mr. Belin.

Did it hit the inside or the outside of his windshield, did he say?

Mr. Baker.

It hit all this inside. Now, as far as the inside or outside of the windshield. I don't know about that. But it was all on the right-hand side of his helmet.

Mr. Belin.

Of his helmet?

Mr. Baker.

On his uniform also.

Mr. Belin.

On his uniform.

Mr. Baker.

That is right.

Mr. Belin.

And he was riding to the left of the President and you say ahead of the President?

Mr. Baker.

On the left-hand side.

Mr. Dulles.

But a little ahead of him?

Mr. Baker.

Yes, sir. They were immediately in front of the car.

Mr. Dulles.

Any other conversations--pardon me, does that answer your question?

Mr. Carr.

I was more interested, sir, in that, of course, but with the lay-men around there. There was a lot of talk and theorizing at the time and I was just wondering what he might have heard from any of the laymen, or just ordinary onlookers of the parade, did you get a chance to talk to any of them?

Mr. Baker.

At that time I didn't get a chance to talk to any of those. At that time I immediately got on my motorcycle and went on down to the Trade Mart down there where he was set up for the luncheon and at the time I got on there I didn't stop until here come a sergeant and a medical examiner and they wanted me to take them code 3 to Parkland, at the time I got there we stood around the President's car there and kept the crowd back, and that is where I stayed until, I think we left after they loaded the body, we went to Love Field and stayed there for, say, 30 minutes or something like that.

Mr. Belin.

Did you talk to--pardon me, sir, does that take care of your questions?

Mr. Carr.

Yes, sir; thank you very much.