Mr. Belin.

There is another door right here, yes.

Mr. Baker.

And on through this one you have a swinging door, a little old counter-type door that swings--

Mr. Belin.

This would be the swinging door which would be to the west of the room marked " Mr. Truly's office" on Exhibit 362?

Mr. Baker.

That is right, sir.

Mr. Belin.

Where would you have been when you were yelling would someone tell you about the stain or the elevator?

Mr. Baker.

At this point approximately where the "T" is here.

Mr. Belin.

You would be where the "T" is?

Mr. Baker.

I was standing inside the front doors and I wasn't too far from this door here.

Mr. Belin.

That would be the, what I call the, middle set of doors as you come in, between the front set of doors and the doors by the side of Mr. Truly's office, that little half door there.

Mr. Baker.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Belin.

And you were at the point as marked on Exhibit 362 approximately where the word "T" is.

Mr. Baker.

This lobby, to the best of my recollection, it seemed to me like, would--I would say, about 15 feet wide or something like that.

Mr. Belin.

Yes.

Mr. Baker.

And I had come in there, oh, say, 4 or 5 feet whenever I said, "Where is the stairway or the elevator?"

Mr. Belin.

I wonder if you could show us on Exhibit 362 the route that you took from the first floor to the time you went to the elevator?

Mr. Baker.

I came through the first set of doors, the second set and this second little old counter-type here, and kind of ran through that, from the southwest corner here through this swinging door.

Mr. Belin.

That is by Mr. Truly's office?

Mr. Baker.

Yes, sir; to the northwest corner here.

Mr. Belin.

By the west elevator.

Mr. Baker.

West elevator, that is right.

Mr. Belin.

Would this be roughly along the pen line already in there, would you estimate?

. Mr. BAKER. Yes, sir; that is pretty close to it.

Mr. Belin.

You then went to the east elevator where Mr. Truly first pushed the button for the elevator?

Mr. Baker.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Dulles.

Any further questions? Mr. Attorney General, do you have any questions?

Mr. Carr.

There is just one. There were many people around there at that time, and the rest of the day

Mr. Dulles.

You are talking now about the Depository Building?

Mr. Carr.

Yes, sir; at the time he has been testifying about. Did you have occasion during the rest of the day either in passing visits or idle conversation or anything of that type with any of the people that were there at the time who might have seen something or told you some theory they had about what might have happened?

Mr. Baker.

Not until last Friday morning. Chief Lunday, which is my chief in traffic, called me and asked me to go down to this Texas Depository Building, and I had--I have worked traffic outside several times but I never did go inside or talk to any of the employees.

Mr. Carr.

I am referring to the people who were out there at the time of the shooting. Did you have a chance during that day to talk with any of them or did you overhear any conversations that might be material to the investigation here?

Mr. Baker.

The only ones that I talked to would be the solo officers who were around him.

Mr. Dulles.

Around whom?

Mr. Baker.

Around the President's car at that time.

Mr. Dulles.

What was the nature of those conversations?

Mr. Baker.

Well, we just were discussing, each one of us had a theory, you