Mr. Baker.

there and I started up these steps, it is a ladder there on that sign, and I got on, say, 10 feet up there and I came back down, I seen that nobody would shoot from up there. He wouldn't have no place to hold on.

Mr. Belin.

By that you are referring to climbing the ladder to climb up the sign, is that correct?

Mr. Baker.

Yes, sir; this large Hertz sign here.

Mr. Belin.

On the top of the School Book Depository Building on Exhibit 362. All right. Then what did you do?

Mr. Baker.

Then I came back down and I went and checked this building right here. It is an old deserted room there of some type.

Mr. Belin.

Some kind of a shack on the northeast corner of the building?

Mr. Baker.

That is right, sir.

Mr. Belin.

Out there. What did you see when you saw that shack?

Mr. Baker.

As I approached it, and looked under it, there wasn't anything under it, and you could tell that pigeons had been roosting there for sometime.

Mr. Belin.

All right. There were indications that pigeons had been roosting there?

Mr. Baker.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Belin.

Then what did you do?

Mr. Baker.

No indications that anyone would be around there.

Mr. Belin.

Did you see any pigeons there as you approached it?

Mr. Baker.

No, sir. They had all--at the time I kind of glanced and they were still flying around in the sky up there.

Mr. Belin.

What did you do?
Senator COOPER. You referred to pigeons, did you see some pigeon droppings?

Mr. Baker.

Yes, sir.
Senator COOPER. Had they been disturbed in any way?

Mr. Baker.

No, sir.

Mr. Belin.

Then what did you do?

Mr. Baker.

At that time I went on back. Mr. Truly was standing over here on this northwest corner and we descended on the stairs there.

Mr. Belin.

You went from the stairs to the roof to where, to the top floor of the building?

Mr. Baker.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Belin.

What did you do when you got to the top floor of the building?

Mr. Baker.

We walked on down one more flight of stairs and then we caught the same elevator back down.

Mr. Dulles.

The top floor was the seventh floor, is it not?

Mr. Baker.

Well, you have one flight of stairs going from the top floor on up.

Mr. Dulles.

Yes.

Mr. Baker.

And then we caught the elevator back down, the same elevator that we took up.

Mr. Belin.

When you referred to one flight of stairs, are you referring to the flight of stairs from the roof to the top floor that you took or the flight of stairs from the top floor to the next to the top floor?

Mr. Baker.

Well, there are two flights of stairs there. The one from the roof down to the top floor and then there is another one there.

Mr. Belin.

When you took the elevator back did you take it from the top floor down or from the next to the top floor down?

Mr. Baker.

That elevator to me, it didn't go to the top floor, it goes to the next to the top.

Mr. Belin.

Did you take it as far as it went?

Mr. Baker.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Belin.

When--did you take an elevator down or did you take the stairs down?

Mr. Baker.

We took the elevator down.

Mr. Belin.

Did you take the same elevator down you took up or did you take a different elevator down?

Mr. Baker.

We took the same one.

Mr. Belin.

When you went to take that elevator going back down did you notice whether or not the other elevator was there?