Mr. Baker.

We walked up the flight of stairs to the top.

Mr. Belin.

To the top. What did you do when you got to the top?

Mr. Baker.

We went out on the roof.

Mr. Belin.

What did you do on the roof?

Mr. Baker.

I immediately went around all the sides of the ledges up there, and after I got on top I found out that a person couldn't shoot off that roof because when you stand up you have to put your hands like this, at the top of that ledge and if you wanted to see over you would have to tiptoe to see over it.

Mr. Dulles.

If you look right behind you, Officer, you will see a picture and you might point out what the top wall that is shown on that photograph of the building is how high?

Mr. Baker.

Well, it is about 5 feet. I know I had to put my hand on top of it and tiptoe to see over it.

Mr. Belin.

All right. Mr. Dulles is referring to the picture of the School Book Depository building on Exhibit 362 and in demonstrating before the Commission as to where your hands were about how high are they in relation to your shoulders or mouth or chin or what-have-you?

Mr. Baker.

Approximately 5 feet.

Mr. Belin.

Your hands are 5 feet high? Did you go over just to one roof side or to all sides of the roof?

Mr. Baker.

No, sir; we came out at this northwest corner back behind this sign here.

Mr. Belin.

All right.

Mr. Baker.

And then I ran, kind of running walk, went all the way around. First I glanced over this side here, because the last thing I heard here on the

radio was the chief saying, "Get some men up on that railroad track."

Mr. Belin.

Did you hear that on your police radio?

Mr. Baker.

Yes, sir; that was the last thing I heard.

Mr. Belin.

As you were getting off your motorcycle?

Mr. Baker.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Belin.

All right.
Senator COOPER. I didn't hear what he said he heard on the radio?

Mr. Baker.

I heard Chief Curry, the chief of the police over there, say, "Get some men over on the railroad track." I think everyone at that time thought these shots came from the railroad track.

Mr. Belin.

By "everyone" do you include you, too?

Mr. Baker.

No, Sir. I had it--I was in a better position due to the wind and you know under it, that I knew it was directly ahead, and up, and it either had to be this building here or this one over here.

Mr. Belin.

You are pointing to either the first building, you are pointing to the School Book Depository Building, and the second one you are pointing to is the one across the street. When you heard this announcement on your radio was it while you were parking your motorcycle?

Mr. Baker.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Belin.

Go ahead, if you would, please. You are on the roof now.

Mr. Baker.

Well, as I looked over here, all these people, there were people all over this railroad track.

Mr. Belin.

You are saying as you are looking over the south and over the west?

Mr. Baker.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Belin.

All right.

Mr. Baker.

Then after I looked to see what was going on down there, and then I figured out that he wouldn't have shot from that ledge he would have shot from this sign or this old room, building back here on the back side.

Mr. Belin.

All right. Now, you are pointing to Exhibit 362 to the sign on the top of the School Book Depository Building, the Hertz sign, and some kind of a structure on the northeast corner of the building, is that correct?

Mr. Baker.

That is correct.

Mr. Belin.

Officer Baker, when you talk, I wonder if you would look at me, we might be able to hear a little bit better. Would you tell us what else you did?

Mr. Baker.

As I finished going all around this building here and then I came to this sign and I looked up there to see if I could find anybody hiding up