Mr. Baker.

I didn't notice. It would be to my back and I was looking out forward.

Mr. Belin.

It would be to your back from where you came off the stairs going to the roof?

Mr. Baker.

Are you talking about when we got on the elevator?

Mr. Belin.

When you got on the elevator to make the return trip?

Mr. Baker.

There wasn't one there whenever we come around out of the stairway, you know, to get on, you know we had to get on the east side instead of just stepping over on the west elevator.

Mr. Belin.

Officer Baker, I am going to hand you what the court reporter, what the Commission reporter, has marked as Exhibit 507 which purports to be a diagram of the seventh floor of the Texas School Book Depository Building and on that diagram you will see at the top the marks of two elevators and then, what looks to be the south, a stairway marked "Ladder to the roof."

Mr. Baker.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Belin.

What is the fact as to whether or not this stairway marked "Ladder to the roof" is the stairway that you took to go to the roof?

Mr. Baker.

Yes, sir; it would be.

Mr. Belin.

All right.
Now, when you got off the elevator which you took up to the top floor, which you said was the east elevator?

Mr. Baker.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Belin.

Did you have any occasion to notice whether or not the west elevator was on this top floor?

Mr. Baker.

No, sir; I didn't notice it.

Mr. Belin.

You didn't notice whether it was or whether it was not?

Mr. Baker.

That is right, sir?

Mr. Belin.

When you got back down from the roof to this top floor, did you have any occasion to notice whether or not the west elevator was on that top floor or not?

Mr. Baker.

No, sir; I still didn't look at the elevator. I was following Mr. Truly and every time I had a chance I would look around over the building.

Mr. Belin.

You would look over the floor itself rather than the other elevator?

Mr. Baker.

That is right.

Mr. Belin.

You then got on the elevator to go on back down?

Mr. Baker.

That is correct.

Mr. Belin.

And I believe you said it was the east elevator, is that correct?

Mr. Baker.

That is correct.

Mr. Belin.

How far did you take the east elevator down?

Mr. Baker.

As we descended, somewhere around--we were still talking and I was still looking over the building.

Mr. Belin.

As the elevator was moving?

Mr. Baker.

Yes, sir; downward.

Mr. Belin.

All right.

Mr. Baker.

The next thing that I noticed was Inspector Sawyer, he was on one of those floors there, he is a police inspector.

Mr. Dulles.

City of Dallas Police?

Mr. Baker.

Yes, sir. And he was on, I really didn't notice which floor he was on, but that is the first thing I saw as we descended how this freight elevator, you know, it has got these picket boards in front of it and it has got it open so far, and it seemed to me like we stopped for a moment and I spoke to him and I told him that I had been to the roof, and there wasn't anything on the roof that would indicate anybody being up there, and then we started on down.

Mr. Belin.

Did you stay on the elevator while you spoke to him?

Mr. Baker.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Belin.

Do you remember what floor it was that you spoke to him on or how many floors down that you went from the top before you saw him?

Mr. Baker.

No, sir; not at that time. It seemed to me like it was on either the third or the fourth floor.

Mr. Belin.

Do you remember about how long you stayed on the roof?

Mr. Baker.

It was a little over 5 minutes.