(Testimony of Marrion L. Baker)
Mr. Belin.
To the lunchroom?
Mr. Baker.
That is right, sir.
Mr. Belin.
Do you remember how long that took?
Mr. Baker.
The first run with normal walking took us a minute and 18 seconds.
Mr. Belin.
What about the second time?
Mr. Baker.
And the second time we did it at a fast walk which took us a minute and 14 seconds.
Mr. Belin.
You saw the stopwatch on all of these timing occasions when it was started and when it was stopped, is that correct?
Mr. Baker.
Yes, sir; I did.
Mr. Belin.
Now, I want to go back to the sixth floor a minute with Mr. Dulles' questions.
Mr. Dulles.
Can we go off the record here one moment?
(Discussion off the record.)
Mr. Belin.
On the record.
Officer Baker, when you related your story earlier you said that as you ran back on the first floor you first ran to the elevator shaft, is that correct?
Mr. Baker.
That is right, sir.
Mr. Belin.
And you stopped at the east or the west elevator door?
Mr. Baker.
That would be the west.
Mr. Belin.
All right. This was on the first floor, and did you look up the elevator shaft at that time?
Mr. Baker.
Yes, sir; at that time I did.
Mr. Belin.
This was while Mr. Truly was calling for the elevator?
Mr. Baker.
Yes, sir.
Mr. Belin.
Was there any kind of a gate between you and the elevator shaft?
Mr. Baker.
Yes, sir; there was.
Mr. Belin.
Wood or metal, do you remember?
Mr. Baker.
It is wood.
Mr. Belin.
What did you see when you looked up the elevator shaft?
Mr. Baker.
At that time I thought there was just one elevator there, you know, one big freight elevator, and to me they looked like they were up there, I didn't know how many floors in that building but you could see them up there, it looked like just at that time, I thought it was just one, when I looked up there, and it looked to me anywhere from three to four floors up.
Mr. Belin.
Was either elevator moving at the time or--pardon me, was there any elevator moving at the time you saw and looked up the shaft?
Mr. Baker.
No, sir.
Mr. Belin.
Did you hear any elevator moving?
Mr. Baker.
No, sir.
Mr. Belin.
Mr. Truly pushed the button, I believe you said.
Mr. Baker.
That is right, sir.
Mr. Belin.
When he pushed the button did any elevator start moving?
Mr. Baker.
No, sir.
Mr. Belin.
When you looked up the elevator shaft did it appear as if there was one elevator covering the complete shaft or did it appear there was one elevator that you saw covering half of the shaft?
Mr. Baker.
Like I say, I thought it was one elevator there and it was covering the whole deal up there so to me it appeared to be one.
Mr. Belin.
It didn't appear to be two elevators on different floors?
Mr. Baker.
No, sir.
Mr. Belin.
All right. Now, you got up to floor number two at the time and
you did that with the stairs.
Mr. Baker.
Yes, sir.
Mr. Belin.
At the time you got up there was there any elevator on floor number two that you can remember, if you can remember? Maybe you cannot remember, I don't know.
Mr. Baker.
Evidently--now, I didn't look, evidently it wasn't because it seemed to me like the next floor up Mr. Truly said let's take the elevator.
Mr. Baker.
At some higher floor after that?
Mr. Baker.
Yes, sir.
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