Mr. Belin.

Were we running or walking, when we moved, did we run or walk?

Mr. Baker.

From the time I got off the motorcycle we walked the first time and then we kind of run the second time from the motorcycle on into the building.

Mr. Belin.

All right. When we got inside the building did we run or trot or walk?

Mr. Baker.

Well, we did it at kind of a trot, I would say, it wasn't a real fast run, an open run. It was more of a trot, kind of.

Mr. Belin.

You mentioned the relationship between what we did on March 20 and what actually occurred on November 22. Would you estimate that what we did on March 20 was the maximum or the minimum as for the time you took?

Mr. Baker.

I would say it would be the minimum.

Mr. Belin.

For instance, on March 20 did we do anything about trying to get through any people on the front steps of the building at all? Did we slow down at all for that?

Mr. Baker.

No, sir.

Mr. Belin.

Did we slow down at all on March 20 for the time it took you to look over the scene as to what was happening in the area down Elm Street and the Parkway?

Mr. Baker.

No, sir.

Mr. Belin.

Later did we go to the southeast corner of the sixth floor?

Mr. Baker.

Yes, sir; we did.

Mr. Belin.

With the stopwatch?

Mr. Baker.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Belin.

Did we make any or do any stopwatch tests about any route from the southeast corner of the sixth floor down to the lunchroom?

Mr. Baker.

Yes, sir; we made two test runs.

Mr. Belin.

All right. Do you remember what the route was?

Mr. Baker.

Yes, sir; we started on the sixth floor on the east side of the building.

Mr. Belin.

All right.

Mr. Baker.

We walked down the east wall.

Mr. Belin.

We started at that particular corner?

Mr. Baker.

Yes, sir; we started in the southeast corner.

Mr. Belin.

All right. We walked down the east wall, you say?

Mr. Baker.

That is right.

Mr. Belin.

All right, then where did we go?

Mr. Baker.

To the north wall and then we walked down the north wall to the west side of where the stairs was.

Mr. Belin.

All right, we walked from the southeast corner to the northeast corner?

Mr. Baker.

That is right.

Mr. Belin.

Then along the northeast corner, around the elevators, do you remember who was with us when we did this?

Mr. Baker.

Yes, sir. There was, it seems to me like his name was John--anyway, he was a Secret Service man.

Mr. Belin.

John Howlett.

Mr. Baker.

John Howlett. That is right, sir.

Mr. Belin.

Did Mr. Howlett simulate anyone putting a gun in any particular place?

Mr. Baker.

Yes, sir; he did.

Mr. Belin.

And then what did we do when we got to the where did he do that, do you remember?

Mr. Baker.

That would be as we approached the stairway, there were some cases of books on the left- hand side there.

Mr. Belin.

All right. And Secret Service Agent Howlett went over to these books and leaned over as if he were putting a rifle there?

Mr. Baker.

That is right, sir.

Mr. Belin.

Then what did he do?

Mr. Baker.

Then we continued on down the stairs.