Representative Boggs.

After he had been arrested?

Mr. Baker.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Dulles.

Could you tell us anything more about his appearance, what he was doing, get an impression of the man at all? Did he seem to be hurrying, anything of that kind?

Mr. Baker.

Evidently he was hurrying because at this point here, I was running, and I ran on over here to this door.

Mr. Belin.

What door number on that?

Mr. Baker.

This would be 23.

Mr. Belin.

All right.

Mr. Baker.

And at that position there he was already down here some 20 feet away from me.

Representative Boggs.

When you saw him, was he out of breath, did he appear to have been running or what?

Mr. Baker.

It didn't appear that to me. He appeared normal you know.

Representative Boggs.

Was he calm and collected?

Mr. Baker.

Yes, sir. He never did say a word or nothing. In fact, he didn't change his expression one bit.

Mr. Belin.

Did he flinch in anyway when you put the gun up in his face?

Mr. Baker.

No, sir.

Mr. Dulles.

There is no testimony that he put the gun up in his face.

Mr. Baker.

I had my gun talking to him like this.

Mr. Dulles.

Yes.

Mr. Belin.

How close was your gun to him if it wasn't the face whatever part of the body it was?

Mr. Baker.

About as far from me to you.

Mr. Belin.

That would be about how far?

Mr. Baker.

Approximately 3 feet.

Mr. Belin.

Did you notice, did he say anything or was there any expression after Mr. Truly said he worked here?

Mr. Baker.

At that time I never did look back toward him. After he says, "Yes, he works here," I turned immediately and run on up, I halfway turned then when I was talking to Mr. Truly.

Representative Boggs.

That question about time I would like to establish.
How long would you say it was from the time that you first heard the shots until that episode occurred?

Mr. Baker.

We went back and made two trial runs on that, and---

Mr. Belin.

Was that on Friday, March 20?

Mr. Baker.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Belin.

All right.

Mr. Baker.

And the first run we made it was a minute and 30 seconds, and--

Mr. Dulles.

Will you say from what time to what time, from the last shot?

Mr. Baker.

From the last shot.

Mr. Belin.

The first shot.

Mr. Dulles.

The first shot?

Mr. Baker.

The first shot.
We simulated the shots and by the time we got there, we did everything that I did that day, and this would be the minimum, because I am sure that I, you know. it took me a little longer.

Mr. Dulles.

I want to get clear in my mind and for the record, it started at the first shot and when did it terminate, when you saw Oswald?

Mr. Baker.

When we saw Oswald.

Mr. Dulles.

When you saw Oswald?

Mr. Baker.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Dulles.

And that time is how much?

Mr. Baker.

The first run would be a minute and 30 seconds, and then we did it over, and we did it in a minute and 15 seconds.
(At this point, Representative Boggs left the hearing room.)

Mr. Belin.

Were we walking or running when we did this?

Mr. Baker.

The first time we did it a little bit slower, and the second time we hurried it up a little bit.