Mr. Belin.

(The document referred to was marked Commission Exhibit No. 497, for identification.)

Mr. Belin.

This is entitled "Texas School Book Depository, Diagram of Second Floor."
You can sit down, if you would, please, Mr. Truly.
And would you, on Exhibit 497, if you would kind of take an arrow to show the route that you took going out-or up from the first floor, and starting up the stairs towards the third.
Now, you marked that with pen.
Could you put a "T" on that, if you would, please?
Now, there appears to be some kind of a vestibule or hall of one kind or another with the No. 22 in a circle on it, on Exhibit 497. Is this completely clear, or are there books there from time to time?

Mr. Truly.

No; that is always clear. There is a few cartons of office stock, invoices, blank invoices and stationery and stuff up and down here. But there is always a pathway. There is a post, right about where this 22 is. You can always clear it and come by there. I don't think there would ever be stock here that would obstruct your view of the other area across there.

Mr. Belin.

Now, I hand you what has been marked Commission Exhibit 498.
(The document referred to was marked Commission Exhibit No. 498 for identification.)

Mr. Belin.

I ask you to state, if you know what this is.

Mr. Truly.

Yes. This is the vestibule, when you first come up the stairs on the second floor--this is what you will find right there.

Mr. Belin.

Now, as you take a look at the picture Exhibit 498, is this a post immediately to the left side of the picture, to the extreme left of the picture?

Mr. Truly.

No.

Mr. Belin.

What is this to the extreme left? Is that the wall for the staircase?

Mr. Truly.

Yes; there is an opening on this side, and the staircase is back over here. This picture is just part of this vestibule out here.

Mr. Belin.

And what direction does the camera appear to be pointing, or what is shown there?

Mr. Truly.

It appears to be pointing east.

Mr. Belin.

And I see a door with a glass in it.
Could you show where on this diagram Exhibit 497 this door with the glass is?
Do you see a number with an arrow pointing to the door?

Mr. Truly.

That is it.

Mr. Belin.

What number is that?

Mr. Truly.

It is number 23.

Mr. Belin.

All right. Number 23, the arrow points to the door that has the glass in it.
Now, as you raced around, how far did you start up the stairs towards the third floor there?

Mr. Truly.

I suppose I was up two or three steps before I realized the officer wasn't following me.

Mr. Belin.

Then what did you do?

Mr. Truly.

I came back to the second floor landing.

Mr. Belin.

What did you see?

Mr. Truly.

I heard some voices, or a voice, coming from the area of the lunchroom, or the inside vestibule, the area of 24.

Mr. Belin.

All right. And I see that there appears to be on the second floor diagram, a room marked lunchroom.

Mr. Truly.

That is right.

Mr. Belin.

What did you do then?

Mr. Truly.

I ran over and looked in this door No. 23.

Mr. Belin.

Through the glass, or was the door open?

Mr. Truly.

I don't know. I think I opened the door. I feel like I did. I don't remember.

Mr. Belin.

It could have been open or it could have been closed, you do not remember?