Mr. Truly.

The chances are it was closed.

Mr. Belin.

You thought you opened it?

Mr. Truly.

I think I opened it. I opened the door back and leaned in this way.

Mr. Belin.

What did you see?

Mr. Truly.

I saw the officer almost directly in the doorway of the lunch-room facing Lee Harvey Oswald.

Mr. Belin.

And where was Lee Harvey Oswald at the time you saw him?

Mr. Truly.

He was at the front of the lunchroom, not very far inside he was just inside the lunchroom door.

Mr. Belin.

All right.

Mr. Truly.

2 or 3 feet, possibly.

Mr. Belin.

Could you put an "O" where you saw Lee Harvey Oswald?
All right.
You have put an "O" on Exhibit 497.
What did you see or hear the officer say or do?

Mr. Truly.

When I reached there, the officer had his gun pointing at Oswald. The officer turned this way and said, "This man work here?" And I said, "Yes."

Mr. Belin.

And then what happened?

Mr. Truly.

Then we left Lee Harvey Oswald immediately and continued to run up the stairways until we reached the fifth floor.

Mr. Belin.

All right.
Let me ask you this now. How far was the officer's gun from Lee Harvey Oswald when he asked the question?

Mr. Truly.

It would be hard for me to say, but it seemed to me like it was almost touching him.

Mr. Belin.

What portion of his body?

Mr. Truly.

Towards the middle portion of his body.

Mr. Belin.

Could you see Lee Harvey Oswald's hands?

Mr. Truly.

Yes.

Mr. Belin.

Could you see--

Mr. Truly.

I am sure I could, yes. I could see most of him, because I was looking in the room on an angle, and they were this way.

Mr. Belin.

When you say you were looking in the room on an angle--

Mr. Truly.

What I mean--this door offsets the lunchroom door.

Mr. Belin.

By this door, you mean door No. 23 is at an angle to door No. 24?

Mr. Truly.

Yes. One this way and the other one is this way.

Mr. Belin.

All right.
Could you see whether or not Lee Harvey Oswald had anything in either hand?

Mr. Truly.

I noticed nothing in either hand.

Mr. Belin.

Did you see both of his hands?

Mr. Truly.

I am sure I did. I could be wrong, but I am almost sure. I did.

Mr. Belin.

About how long did Officer Baker stand there with Lee Harvey Oswald after you saw them?

Mr. Truly.

He left him immediately after I told him--after he asked me, does this man work here. I said, yes. The officer left him immediately.

Mr. Belin.

Did you hear Lee Harvey Oswald say anything?

Mr. Truly.

Not a thing.

Mr. Belin.

Did you see any expression on his face? Or weren't you paying attention?

Mr. Truly.

He didn't seem to be excited or overly afraid or anything. He might have been a bit startled, like I might have been if somebody confronted me. But I cannot recall any change in expression of any kind on his face.

Mr. Belin.

Now, I hand you what the reporter has marked as Exhibit 499.
(The document referred to was marked Commission Exhibit No. 499 for identification.)

Mr. Belin.

I ask you to state if you know what this is.

Mr. Truly.

That is the interior of the lunchroom.