Mr. Norman.

I don't remember if we raised the window or not but I remember looking out the window that day.

Mr. Ball.

Here is a picture 489 taken last Friday when you were with me on that floor?

Mr. Norman.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

Do you show in the picture--

Mr. Norman.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Is that the window you looked out of?

Mr. Norman.

Yes, sir; I believe that is the one.

Mr. Ball.

What did you look at when you looked out that window?

Mr. Norman.

We saw the policeman, and I guess they were detectives, they were searching the empty cars over there. I remember seeing some guy on top of them.

Mr. Ball.

On top of the cars?

Mr. Norman.

Yes. They were going through there.

Mr. Ball.

You saw police officers searching cars over on the. railroad tracks?

Mr. Norman.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

And how long did you stay at that window?

Mr. Norman.

I don't remember, but it wasn't very long.

Mr. Ball.

Then where did you

Mr. Norman.

We ran down to the first floor.

Mr. Ball.

As you were at the fifth floor, looking west as shown in Exhibit No. 489, were you able to see the stairwell?

Mr. Norman.

No.

Mr. Ball.

Why?

Mr. Norman.

Because there is a row of bins there that prevents you standing in a position that I was in to keep you from seeing it.

Mr. Ball.

There is 492. Does that show the row of bins?

Mr. Norman.

Yes; the row of bins.

Mr. Ball.

They block off the stairwell.

Mr. Norman.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

Do you remember that we tried an experiment when you were there by putting you three men in line and then taking a picture to see if we could see any one of you?

Mr. Norman.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

This is a picture 491. That is your picture, isn't it?

Mr. Norman.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Where are you?

Mr. Norman.

In the middle.

Mr. Ball.

And who is that on the end?

Mr. Norman.

Which end? Oh, this is Bonnie Ray Williams.

Mr. Ball.

Who is this one?

Mr. Norman.

James Jarman.

Mr. Ball.

And then a picture, do you remember another picture was taken, 492?

Mr. Norman.

Yes, sir; I remember that picture.

Mr. Ball.

Can you see anyone in that picture?

Mr. Norman.

I see one person.

Mr. Ball.

Can you make him out?

Mr. Norman.

Yes. I recognize him as James Jarman.

Mr. Ball.

Jarman, the one on the end?

Mr. Norman.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Now did you see any police officer come up on that floor?

Mr. Norman.

I didn't.

Mr. Ball.

You didn't.

Mr. Norman.

No, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Or did you see Mr. Truly come up?

Mr. Norman.

No, sir; I didn't.

Mr. Ball.

Or did you hear any elevator operator

Mr. Norman.

No; I don't recall.

Mr. Ball.

Going up or down?

Mr. Norman.

No, sir; I don't recall anyone.