Mr. Norman.

Above where we were, above us.

Mr. Ball.

Did you see any dust or dirt falling?

Mr. Norman.

I didn't see any falling but I saw some in Bonnie Ray Williams hair.

Mr. Ball.

Did anybody say anything about it?

Mr. Norman.

I believe Jarman told him that it was in his hair first. Then I, you know, told him it was and I believe Jarman told him not to brush it out his hair but I think he did anyway.

Mr. Ball.

After that happened, what did you do?

Mr. Norman.

Well, we ran to the farthest window facing the expressway.

Mr. Ball.

The farthest window, is that right?

Mr. Norman.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

I have here a diagram of this fifth floor.

Mr. Mccloy.

May I interrupt there.

Mr. Ball.

Go right ahead.

Mr. Mccloy.

You spoke about seeing the President sort of slump over after the first shot?

Mr. Norman.

Yes; I believe the first.

Mr. Mccloy.

Did you see the President hit on any subsequent shots?

Mr. Norman.

No; I don't recall seeing that.

Mr. Ball.

Here is a diagram of the sixth floor.

Mr. Norman.

The sixth floor?

Mr. Ball.

Of the fifth floor rather, which is Commission's 487, and this is the southeast corner window. To what window did you and your two friends run?

Mr. Norman.

This is the south. This is the window we were in. We came to this last, I believe it is the next to the last or the last window on this end here, right here.

Mr. Ball.

And the other day when you were up on the fifth floor with a photographer, you ran to that window, did you?

Mr. Norman.

Well, we ran to the window, we thought it was the window we ran to.

Mr. Ball.

And you opened that window?

Mr. Norman.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

And had your picture taken?

Mr. Norman.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

Here is 485. Is that the window as you remembered it that you ran to?

Mr. Norman.

I can't say it was that particular window that day but it was between these two windows here.

Mr. Ball.

One of the two windows?

Mr. Norman.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

This is marked Y here on 487, is that correct?

Mr. Norman.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

Why did you run down to that window?

Mr. Norman.

Well, it seems as though everyone else was running towards the railroad tracks, and we ran over there. Curious to see why everybody was running that way for. I thought maybe--

Mr. Ball.

Did anybody say anything about going up to the sixth floor?

Mr. Norman.

I don't remember anyone saying about going up to the sixth floor.

Mr. Ball.

Then did you leave that window that you have marked Y on 487?

Mr. Norman.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

And you went to what window?

Mr. Norman.

To the west window.

Mr. Ball.

Look on the diagram and tell me what window you went to, as you remember it?

Mr. Norman.

It was between this point here, these two right here.

Mr. Ball.

That is marked Z?

Mr. Norman.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

Is that correct?

Mr. Norman.

Yes,

Mr. Ball.

What did you do when you went to that window?