Mr. Ball.

I am not going into what you saw. But could you see either elevator from where you were standing at "Z"?

Mr. Williams.

Yes, sir; you could see this pretty plainly.

Mr. Ball.

You mean the west elevator

Mr. Williams.

Yes sir.

Mr. Ball.

Could you see the east elevator?

Mr. Williams.

No, sir; you could not see it exactly.

Mr. Ball.

Now, when you were questioned by the FBI agents, talking to Mr. Odum and Mr. Griffin, they reported in writing here that while you were standing at the west end of the building on the fifth floor, a police officer came up on the elevator and looked all around the fifth floor and left the floor. Did you see anything like that?

Mr. Williams.

Well, at the time I was up there I saw a motorcycle policeman. He came up. And the only thing I saw of him was his white helmet.

Mr. Ball.

What did he

Mr. Williams.

He just came around, and around to the elevator.

Mr. Ball.

Which elevator?

Mr. Williams.

I believe it was the east elevator.

Mr. Ball.

Did you see anybody with him?

Mr. Williams.

I did not.

Mr. Ball.

You were only able to see the top of his helmet?

Mr. Williams.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

You could only see the top of his helmet

Mr. Williams.

Yes, sir; that is the only thing I saw about it.

Mr. Ball.

They reported that you told them on the 23d of November that you and Hank, that is Hank Norman, isn't it--

Mr. Williams.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

And Junior--that is Junior Jarman-were standing where they would have seen anyone coming down from the sixth floor by way of the stairs. Did you tell them that?

Mr. Williams.

I could not possibly have told him that, because you cannot see anything coming down from that position.

Mr. Ball.

And that you did not see anyone coming down.

Mr. Williams.

No, sir. An elephant could walk by there, and you could not see him.

Mr. Ball.

That day we were out there, Friday, March 20th, we took some pictures.

Mr. Williams.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

I show you 490.
(The document described was marked Exhibit No. 490 for identification.)

Mr. Ball.

We took a picture from where you were standing towards the stairs. Do you recognize that?

Mr. Williams.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

What is that?

Mr. Williams.

This is the side we were on. I believe these are the bookshelves I was speaking of.

Mr. Ball.

That is the ones that hide the stairwell?

Mr. Williams.

That is right.

Mr. Ball.

And the camera is-you saw where the camera was set, didn't you?

Mr. Williams.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

You saw these pictures taken?

Mr. Williams.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Where was the camera?

Mr. Williams.

The camera was located about the exact place I was standing looking out this window.

Mr. Ball.

That would be "Z" on 487?
Mr. WILLIAMS, That's right.

Mr. Ball.

And was pointed toward what direction?

Mr. Williams.

It was pointed towards the stairway and the bookcase.

Mr. Ball.

The way you would have been looking on that day?

Mr. Williams.

Right.

Mr. Ball.

And this shows those shelves.