Mr. Williams.

It was after I had left the sixth floor, after I had eaten the chicken sandwich. I finished the chicken sandwich maybe 10 or 15 minutes after 12. I could say approximately what time it was.

Mr. Ball.

Approximately what time was it?

Mr. Williams.

Approximately 12:20, maybe.

Mr. Ball.

Well, now, when you talked to the FBI on the 23d day of November, you said that you went up to the sixth floor about 12 noon with your lunch, and you stayed only about 3 minutes, and seeing no one you came down to the fifth floor, using the stairs at the west end of the building.
Now, do you think you stayed longer than 3 minutes up there?

Mr. Williams.

I am sure I stayed longer than 3 minutes.

Mr. Ball.

Do you remember telling the FBI you only stayed 3 minutes up there?

Mr. Williams.

I do not remember telling them I only stayed 3 minutes.

Mr. Ball.

And then on this 14th of January 1964, when you talked to Carter and Griffin, they reported that you told them you went down to the fifth floor around 12:05 p.m., and that around 12:30 p.m. you were watching the Presidential parade.
Now, do you remember telling them you went down there about 12:05 p.m.?

Mr. Williams.

I remember telling the fellows that--they asked me first, they said, "How long did it take you to finish the sandwich?" I said, "Maybe 5 to 10 minutes, maybe 15 minutes." Just like I said here. I don't remember saying for a definite answer that it was 5 minutes.

Mr. Ball.

Well, is it fair to say that you do not remember the exact time now?

Mr. Williams.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

You do remember, though, that you ate your lunch and drank your pop, your Doctor Pepper, before you came down?

Mr. Williams.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Were you there any length of time before the Presidential parade came by?

Mr. Williams.

Well, sir, on the fifth floor?

Mr. Ball.

On the fifth floor, yes, with your two friends, Norman and Jarman.

Mr. Williams.

I was there a while before it came around.

Mr. Ball.

You were at what window?

Mr. Williams.

Well, I believe we was on the east side of the window, and I think Hank was--I think he was directly under the sixth floor window where Oswald was supposed to have shot the President from. And I think I was a window over. And I think James Jarman was two or three windows over.

Mr. Ball.

I will show you a picture here, which is 482. Do you see yourself in that picture?

Mr. Williams.

Yes, sir; I am right here.

Mr. Ball.

All right. Draw a dark line down there towards you and put an arrow on the end. I will mark that W; the arrow W on 482 points to you, Bonnie Ray Williams.

Mr. Williams.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Is that about the way you were sitting in the window?

Mr. Williams.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

And you were watching the parade?

Mr. Williams.

I don't remember whether I was watching the parade here or not. But I was in the window, that window.

Mr. Ball.

Do you recognize the man in the window to the right of us as we look at the picture?

Mr. Williams.

Yes, sir; that is Harold Norman.

Mr. Ball.

Now, here is another photograph which is 480, giving more of the front of the building. Can you tell us in what window your friend Jarman was sitting, or watching?

Mr. Williams.

I believe this is James Jarman right here.

Mr. Ball.

All right. Draw a line down to that on 480. Draw an arrow to the window.

Mr. Williams.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

We will mark that W on 480.