Mr. Ball.

Now, were you boys sitting down or standing up?

Mr. Williams.

Are you referring to the picture?

Mr. Ball.

No, I am talking about your memory now as to what you were doing at the time you were watching for the Presidential parade.

Mr. Williams.

At the time we were watching for the President's parade, I believe I was in a squat position. But I don't remember whether I was on my knees or just squatting on the balls of my feet.

Mr. Ball.

When the parade went by, how were you--squatting?

Mr. Williams.

As the parade went by, I was in a squat position.

Mr. Ball.

Last Friday you went up to the sixth floor, or the fifth floor with us, and a photographer, and you three men got into position, did you not?

Mr. Williams.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

To have your pictures taken.

Mr. Williams.

Yes; we did.

Mr. Ball.

I can only ask you about your position. First of all, we will mark this as 485.
(The photograph was marked Commission Exhibit No. 485 for identification.)

Mr. Ball.

I will mark this photograph as 486.
(The photograph was marked Exhibit No. 486 for identification.)

Mr. Ball.

485 is a picture of three men. You were there when that picture was taken?

Mr. Williams.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Who are the men who are there?

Mr. Williams.

First of all in the corner of the east of the building is Harold Norman. Secondly, the fellow over from me, that would be James Jarman.

Mr. Ball.

Who is the man in the center?

Mr. Williams.

That is me

Mr. Ball.

Is that about the way you were sitting when you watched the parade?

Mr. Williams.

I believe it was at the time.

Mr. Ball.

Now, I show you 486 and who are the men in that position?

Mr. Williams.

In this picture here, 486--this fellow--the other fellow in the corner, in the east of the building, is Harold Norman. I am in the window next to him.

Mr. Ball.

Your back is to the picture?

Mr. Williams.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Is that about the position you were in when the President's parade went by?

Mr. Williams.

I believe it was.

Mr. Ball.

Now, what do you remember happened when the President's parade went by?

Mr. Williams.

Well, to the best of my ability, what I remember was first coming off of--I believe it was Main Street--well, two motorcycle policemen came around. I think it was two or maybe three. They came around first. And then I think the President's car followed. And I believe a car was behind it carrying the Vice President, as I remember. I am not sure about it. President Kennedy was sitting in the back seat. I believe his wife was in the back seat. I believe Governor Connally was sitting in the front seat of the car as it was going down the street--I believe

Mr. Mccloy.

What street are you talking about there? Are you talking about Main Street, Houston Street, or Elm Street?

Mr. Williams.

First of all, as I say, they was coming off of Main Street. Then as it turned the corner, the corner which I am speaking of, most people refer to it as Elm Street. But it is not really Elm Street. I believe it is the start of the turnpike, because Elm Street runs parallel with the building, but comes to a dead end.

Mr. Ball.

Did you see the parade come up Houston, north on Houston?

Mr. Williams.

Yes, sir; I did.

Mr. Ball.

And then you saw it turn to the left in front of your building?

Mr. Williams.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Now tell us what happened after the President's car had passed your window.