Mrs. Paine.

American Civil Liberties Union, that he should in our country have a right to unpopular views or any other kind.
This I believe was after he had been to an American Civil Liberties Union meeting with my husband, that meeting having been October

Mr. Jenner.

What was his response?

Mrs. Paine.

He was pleased, I felt. He felt in a sense reassured. And indeed I think his response was to join, because it was later reported in the press that he had, which makes me think that this telephone conversation was quite close to the time of the assassination.

Mr. Jenner.

Mrs. Paine--

Mrs. Paine.

I am putting in a lot of guesswork.

Mr. Jenner.

Am I interrupting you?

Mrs. Paine.

No. It is just that I wonder if you want me to dredge this deeply into things I cannot be absolutely certain about.

Mr. Jenner.

We would like your best recollection. We do hesitate about speculation.

Mrs. Paine.

Indeed.

Mr. Jenner.

When we are asking about factual matters. We do ask for your speculation occasionally, but to try to make it quite deliberate when we are asking for that rather than for facts. Have you now stated all that comes to mind with respect to the advice to Lee Oswald of the visit of FBI agents or any discussion with Mr. Oswald at any time while he visited your home during this period in 1963 prior to November 22 with respect to FBI agent visits?
Have you now exhausted your recollection on the subject?

Mrs. Paine.

I think one other thing. Agent Hosty asked me, and I am not certain which time, but more likely the second, since so far as I can recall Marina wasn't present, if I thought this was a mental problem, his words referring to Lee Oswald, and I said I didn't understand the mental processes of anyone who could espouse the Marxist philosophy, but that this was far different from saying he was mentally unstable or unable to conduct himself in normal society.
I did tell Lee that this question had been asked. He gave no reply, but more a scoffing laugh, hardly voiced.

Mr. Jenner.

Have you now exhausted your recollection?

Mrs. Paine.

I have clearly exhausted it.

Senator Cooper.

Who asked the question?

Mrs. Paine.

Hosty asked the question "Is this a mental problem?"

Senator Cooper.

Did you ever hear Oswald express any anger toward either the agents or the FBI, as an agency?

Mrs. Paine.

He expressed distinct irritation that he was being bothered. That is how he looked upon it.

Senator Cooper.

You said that you thought he was concerned about its effect upon his job, but did he express any emotion other than that?

Mrs. Paine.

And he was being inhibited in what he wanted to do.

Senator Cooper.

Any irritation or anger because they had interviewed?

Mrs. Paine.

In tone of voice, yes.

Senator Cooper.

What would it be like?

Mrs. Paine.

Well, irritated. He said, "They are trying to inhibit my activities."

Senator Cooper.

Did he swear at all?

Mrs. Paine.

No.

Senator Cooper.

He used no language.

Mrs. Paine.

No; he didn't.

Senator Cooper.

Did he raise the tone of his voice?

Mrs. Paine.

No.

Senator Cooper.

Did he show

Mrs. Paine.

Nothing more than an edge to his voice I would say.

Senator Cooper.

Did he direct it against any individual FBI agent.

Mrs. Paine.

No; he didn't. I have one other recollection that possibly should be put in regarding the conversation with Agent Hosty the first time when Marina was present. We discussed many things, just as you would having coffee in the afternoon with a visitor, and--