Mr. Kellerman.

all the agents under Mr. Stout's supervision and they would remain with them for the remainder of the day. That I would have Special Agents Hill, Landis, Greer, and O'Leary.
As we arrived at Andrews Air Force Base, arrangements were made prior to having a lift brought up to the rear end of the plane, whereby all the agents were requested by Mrs. Kennedy to carry this casket from the plane to the ambulance. It was put aboard this carrier; from there we took it from the carrier into the Navy ambulance. Mrs. Kennedy rode in the back seat, or in the rear part of the ambulance, with Mr. Robert Kennedy and General McHugh. In the front seat the ambulance was driven by Special Agent Greer, of which Agents Landis and myself and Dr. Burkley rode in the front seat to the U.S. Naval Hospital in Bethesda. At that point Navy officials there instructed us where to take the ambulance, to what part of the building, and remove the casket into the morgue facilities.
As we landed in Andrews Air Force Base, I was met by our Chief, Mr. James Rowley, who informed me that Mr. Sibert and Mr. O'Neill of the FBI would join me at the Naval Hospital and to allow them in. I also informed him that the vehicles--that is, the President's car and our Secret Service followup car--are en route to Washington from Dallas, and that he should assign some members from our Washington field office to go over these cars for any evidence that might be left. In the morgue, I should say that Special Agent Greer and myself remained all night, Mr. O'Leary only briefly.

Mr. Specter.

Where did the--

Mr. Kellerman.

The family was placed--

Mr. Specter.

Where did the family go?

Mr. Kellerman.

They were placed in a room in the tower section of the Naval Hospital.

Mr. Specter.

Did you actually accompany the body from the vehicle to the morgue room?

Mr. Kellerman.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Specter.

And were you present during the entire autopsy?

Mr. Kellerman.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Specter.

Tell us in a general way--

Mr. Kellerman.

I only left on three different occasions.

Mr. Specter.

For how long were you absent on those occasions?

Mr. Kellerman.

A minute or two to make a phone call.

Mr. Specter.

While the autopsy was in session, or when did you leave on those three occasions?

Mr. Kellerman.

OK. First I was informed by a Navy personnel that I should call Mr. Rowley. There wasn't any phone--there was a phone in the room, but I wasn't aware of it at the time. So, I left and walked out into the corridor and called him. This was my first knowledge that they had found a projectile. The second call, I think I called home; that was my first call to home and that was it.

Mr. Specter.

Now, the projectile that you just referred to was found where?

Mr. Kellerman.

This was the projectile that was reportedly given to our Special Agent Richard Johnsen as we were leaving the hospital in Dallas.

Mr. Specter.

How did you find out about that?

Mr. Kellerman.

He says it was given to him by a security man or security officer in the hospital.

Mr. Specter.

When did you first hear about it?

Mr. Kellerman.

The phone call with Mr. Rowley that morning after we had got to the morgue.

Mr. Specter.

What time was this?

Mr. Kellerman.

I am only guessing; 9 o'clock in the evening.

Mr. Specter.

Nine o'clock in the evening. You had said morning; you didn't mean morning; you meant 9 o'clock in the evening when you had a telephone call. From whom was the call again?

Mr. Kellerman.

Mr. Rowley, Chief of Secret Service.

Mr. Specter.

You got the phone call from Mr. Rowley?

Mr. Kellerman.

Yes.

Mr. Specter.

Who had called him, if you know?