Mr. Specter.

Did you learn at or about 1 o'clock, while you were at Parkland Hospital, that he had died?

Mr. Kellerman.

I would think so. However, at that time let me say that I wasn't watching any clock too closely and this time was given to me by Dr. Burkley.

Mr. Specter.

Then you have no independent recollection of time at Parkland when the death was announced or pronounced?

Mr. Kellerman.

No.

Mr. Specter.

Now, then, you have specified the time of departure from Parkland Hospital and en route back to Love Field at what, sir?

Mr. Kellerman.

We departed at 4 minutes after 2 from Parkland.

Mr. Specter.

What time did you arrive at the President's plane?

Mr. Kellerman.

2:14.

Mr. Specter.

What were your next activities?

Mr. Kellerman.

Our next time, we had waited until Judge Sarah Hughes had arrived for the swearing-in ceremonies.

Mr. Specter.

What time did the swearing-in ceremonies occur?

Mr. Kellerman.

2:37 p.m.

Mr. Specter.

And what time did the plane depart from Dallas?

Mr. Kellerman.

We left at 2:48.

Mr. Specter.

Were you present during the swearing-in ceremonies?

Mr. Kellerman.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Specter.

In a general way, tell us who else was present there, recognizing that you don't know all the people there.

Mr. Kellerman.

Yes. President Johnson, Mrs. Johnson, Mrs. Kennedy, Malcolm Kilduff. He was the press secretary for that trip. Congressman Thornberry, Congressman Thomas, Marie Fehmer, Mrs. Evelyn Lincoln, Jack Valenti, Bill Moyers, Special Agent Johns. There was another congressional man--I believe his name was Congressman Roberts--Brooks; I am sorry; Congressman Brooks. The picture was taken by Capt. Cecil Stoughton and myself.

Mr. Specter.

What time did the President's plane arrive back at the Washington area?

Mr. Kellerman.

May I look at my notes, sir?

Mr. Specter.

Yes; you may. Identify for us, if you will, what notes you are referring to.

Mr. Kellerman.

5:58 p.m. This is my report.

Mr. Specter.

Let the record show that Mr. Kellerman has just referred to a four-page report dated November 29, 1963, entitled "The Assassination of. President John F. Kennedy on November 22, 1963, at Dallas, Tex.," which is a copy of a report he made, three of the sheets being carbon copies, and one being a photostatic reproduction. So that our record may be complete, let the record show that this is the same report which Mr. Kellerman submitted to the Secret Service which was, in turn, submitted by the Secret Service to the Commission, as one of the statements in Exhibit 12, statement 11, which was furnished by the Secret Service to the Commission as the report of the U.S. Secret Service on the assassination of President Kennedy, under the exhibits section. I will return that to you.

Mr. Kellerman.

Fine; thank you.

Mr. Specter.

What were your activities; specifically where did you land in the Washington area?

Mr. Kellerman.

We landed at Andrews Air Force Base.

Mr. Specter.

What were your activities then, immediately after landing at Andrews?

Mr. Kellerman.

While en route from Dallas to Washington, D.C., I had several telephone
communications with my special agent in charge, Gerald Behn, concerning this, transportation for the people aboard the plane, an ambulance for the body of President Kennedy, and my instructions. I was instructed to stay with the late President Kennedy. Aboard this plane were agents of the 4-to-12 shift which, as I mentioned earlier, was under the supervision of Mr. Stewart Stout; a conference was held with Mr. Rufus Youngblood, who was in charge of the Johnson detail at that time. He was informed that he would take