Mr. Kellerman.

This I don't know.

Mr. Specter.

But at that time Chief Rowley advised of the detection of the bullet on the stretcher and brought you up to date with what information was known at that time?

Mr. Kellerman.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Specter.

Now, have you described all the times that you were absent from the room of the autopsy?

Mr. Kellerman.

The only other time that I was absent was when the autopsy was about completed before the funeral directors were in, and it was my decision to get Mr. Hill down and view this man for all the damage that was done; so I went up to the floor where they were at and brought him down and he inspected the incisions.

Mr. Specter.

What was your reason for that, Mr. Kellerman?

Mr. Kellerman.

More witnesses, Mr. Specter; I think more to view the unfortunate happenings it would be a little better.

Mr. Specter.

What time did that autopsy start, as you recollect it?

Mr. Kellerman.

Immediately. Immediately after we brought him right in.

Mr. Specter.

What time was that approximately, if you have a recollection?

Mr. Kellerman.

I don't have a recollection.

Mr. Specter.

What time did it end, if you recollect?

Mr. Kellerman.

We left the hospital for the White House at 3:56 in the morning.

Mr. Specter.

3:56 a.m. on November 23?

Mr. Kellerman.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Specter.

Did the autopsy last all that time?

Mr. Kellerman.

No. They were going to give these people a couple of hours that they worked on them.

Mr. Specter.

Now, did you observe, during the course of the autopsy, bullet fragments which you might describe as little stars?

Mr. Kellerman.

Yes, of the numerous X-rays that were taken mainly of the skull, the head. The reason for it was that through all the probing which these gentlemen were trying to pick up little pieces of evidence in the form of shell fragments, they were unable to locate any. From the X-rays, when you placed the X-ray up against the light the whole head looked like a little mass of stars, there must have been 30, 40 lights where these pieces were so minute that they couldn't be reached. However, all through this series of X-rays this was the one that they found, through X-ray that was above the right eye, and they removed that.

Mr. Specter.

How big a piece was that above the right eye, would you say?

Mr. Kellerman.

The tip of a matchhead, a little larger.
Senator COOPER Let me ask a few questions. Mr. Kellerman, from what you have just said, I think it would be correct that from the time you began to assist in removing President Kennedy from his car to the time you left him in the emergency room that you never saw any bullet on a stretcher, either his stretcher or Governor Connally's stretcher?

Mr. Kellerman.

I never saw any bullet, sir.
Senator COOPER. I believe you testified that, at the time you heard this first report, the President's car was approaching a viaduct?

Mr. Kellerman.

Approaching, yes, but quite a little distance from it, sir.
Senator COOPER. Can you make any estimate as to how far away it was.

Mr. Kellerman.

I don't know the footage, Senator Cooper.
Senator COOPER. Can you see it?

Mr. Kellerman.

Yes; oh. yes. sir.
Senator COOPER. Can you see the viaduct plainly?

Mr. Kellerman.

Oh, yes, sir.
Senator COOPER. Could you tell whether anybody was standing on top of the viaduct, or did you observe?

Mr. Kellerman.

I didn't notice anybody up there at all, sir.
Senator COOPER Did you observe whether anyone was in the immediate vicinity of the viaduct?

Mr. Kellerman.

Not at this distance; no.
Senator COOPER. Do you have any--at the time of the shots, at the time that